There are not enough cars on the grid, man!
Hulk pushed out last year and now Vettel or Perez? It is such a dilemma...
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It was written in the stars, or rather the rumourmill, and today, Renault F1 has confirmed that Fernando Alonso will return to the team with which he won his two F1 World Championships with.
Of course, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes in both - but from the rumors that came out there seems to be somewhat of a difference between the McLaren/Honda and RBR/Renault cases. McLaren wanted to stick with a certain aerodynamic concept, and Honda had to adapt their engine to that - which did not work out well. Renault probably had more to say about the engine layout (even if it was just for their own team), and still made a poor engine. Ironically, when McLaren switched to Renault they seem to have given more freedom to the engine manufacturer (or realized they could not be in full control of the layout in this case), and when RBR switched to Honda, Honda finally got some freedom to work on an engine that suited them - with positive results for both teams.Andres125sx wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020, 08:13
So Max with RBR/Renault was right because it was a shitbox, but Alonso with McLaren/Honda was not because it was not a shitbox, right???
According to the article around 10 million. A release clause that has to be taken before the 31st of this month in order to terminate the contract after this season.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Jul 2020, 23:52How much would it cost them to buy out his contract that far ahead? That's many millions extra in Perez's bank account for not turning up to work.
And then he goes elsewhere and gets paid more to turn up there instead.
The beers are on Sergio!
Red Bull - HondaJust_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Jul 2020, 23:52How much would it cost them to buy out his contract that far ahead? That's many millions extra in Perez's bank account for not turning up to work.
And then he goes elsewhere and gets paid more to turn up there instead.
Well, he might not see himself as a second driver so there's that issue.JordanMugen wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020, 10:50Red Bull - HondaJust_a_fan wrote: ↑14 Jul 2020, 23:52How much would it cost them to buy out his contract that far ahead? That's many millions extra in Perez's bank account for not turning up to work.
And then he goes elsewhere and gets paid more to turn up there instead.
Perez would be an excellent signing as a second driver. Fast, consistent, reliable points scorer... What's not to like?
I wouldn't call getting kicked out of Ferrari into a midfield team "the last laugh"
DChemTech wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020, 09:22
Of course, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes in both - but from the rumors that came out there seems to be somewhat of a difference between the McLaren/Honda and RBR/Renault cases. McLaren wanted to stick with a certain aerodynamic concept, and Honda had to adapt their engine to that - which did not work out well. Renault probably had more to say about the engine layout (even if it was just for their own team), and still made a poor engine. Ironically, when McLaren switched to Renault they seem to have given more freedom to the engine manufacturer (or realized they could not be in full control of the layout in this case), and when RBR switched to Honda, Honda finally got some freedom to work on an engine that suited them - with positive results for both teams.
I don't know what specific changes they made and that was not what I tried to say, in any case, sorry if that was unclear. What I meant was that (allegedly, based on the information I saw), RBR gave Honda more room to create their engine as they saw fit, and were more about building the car around the engine. Even if that was largely the same engine, they may have given it more room to breathe, been more conservative in packaging, etc.Andres125sx wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020, 11:29DChemTech wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020, 09:22
Of course, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes in both - but from the rumors that came out there seems to be somewhat of a difference between the McLaren/Honda and RBR/Renault cases. McLaren wanted to stick with a certain aerodynamic concept, and Honda had to adapt their engine to that - which did not work out well. Renault probably had more to say about the engine layout (even if it was just for their own team), and still made a poor engine. Ironically, when McLaren switched to Renault they seem to have given more freedom to the engine manufacturer (or realized they could not be in full control of the layout in this case), and when RBR switched to Honda, Honda finally got some freedom to work on an engine that suited them - with positive results for both teams.
What fundamental changes did Honda do to their PU when they switched from McLaren to RBR?
Anycase the point was McLaren/Honda was underperforming much more, not even comparable to RBR/Renault, so if someone accept Max rants about Renault, he should accept Alonso rants about Honda too. Or criticize both, but accepting Max one while criticizing Alonso seems extremely biased
*Cough* negotiation tacticts *cough*Manoah2u wrote: ↑13 Jul 2020, 21:01*cough cough*Just_a_fan wrote: ↑13 Jul 2020, 17:45
The reality is that Mercedes don't care about spectacular battles or excitement. And they're honest enough to know that it is a "German car" in name only. Did they make more of Rosberg's [German] title than any of Hamilton's Mercedes-related titles?
I'm amazed that people still come out with this stuff - the team doesn't want the stuff that you or I might want. They just want to rack up wins. They don't want excitement because excitement is stressful and extremely risky for them. A bit of to-and-fro with another team is ok and they can handle that, but a season long battle between team mates is the worst thing for any team because of the risk of DNFs, the damage to intra-team relationships and morale.
Wolff: Vettel at Mercedes ‘good marketing’
Mercedes boss Toto Wolff says it would be a good marketing opportunity to have four-time champ Sebastian Vettel at the team.
Wolff hasn’t ruled out approaching Vettel, believing having the superstar German driver at the German Mercedes team would be good marketing.
“Of course a German driver in a German car is a good marketing story,” he told Austrian broadcaster ORF.
“At Mercedes, however, we are purely focused on success, but Sebastian is of course someone who is really good.”
Toto Wolff says Mercedes interest in Sebastian Vettel not lip service
Toto Wolff said Mercedes "owe it" to Sebastian Vettel to consider the four-time Formula One world champion if they have a seat to fill next season.
Silver Arrows duo Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas are only contracted until December, although talks with the defending champion are expected to be held once the season starts and the Finn is also tipped to stay on.
Mercedes boss Wolff said it would be remiss of the constructors champions to dismiss the prospect of signing Vettel, however, citing Nico Rosberg's sudden retirement in 2016 as proof that anything can happen.
He said: "It's not lip service, but we owe it to a four-time champion not to come out and say straight away, 'No'. You need to think about it.
"On the other side, we have a fantastic line-up and I've very happy with both our pilots and George [Russell], but you never know. One of them may decide he doesn't want to go racing anymore and suddenly you have a vacant spot.
"This is why I don't want to come out in June and say, 'No chance, Sebastian is not racing for us'.
"I wouldn't do it to him as a driver, to be that blunt, and on the otherwise side, I've seen black swans appearing when nobody suspected - remember Nico Rosberg.
but hey i'm sure you know better than Toto himself.