Sebastian Vettel has won his home Grand Prix at the Nurburgring despite close challenges from both Lotus cars throughout the second half of the race. Kimi Raikkonen finished a close second with Romain Grosjean ending third, just ahead of Alonso.
We won't see any of that because of hard-medium combination. Would you say that if they went for medium-soft it wouldn't be possible to see their "true" pace BECAUSE of tyres? The same tyres but in a different configuration. Why is it always in one direction and why Hungary has to be reference track for 'speed' suddenly?atanatizante wrote:Taking into account that :
1. Tyre compound is 2013 spec (softer than 2012) and will be even in Hungary the same hence tyre ware (not degradation) is unchanged
2. The kevlar belt is increasing tyre operation window with almost 10 degree Celsius
This means that RBR could run them harder and therefore could unleash more than 70-80% of their maximum race speed or we could see their true race pace only in Hungary?
They're predicting 5-7 laps 
on softs here: http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/new ... -German-GP.It'll all come down to how much of a gap those starting on softs can pull, how much field spread there will be, whether having mediums that are 5 - 7 laps (or more) fresher will give enough of a pace advantage to make overtaking those starting on mediums a relatively easy affair, and how many laps the medium starters end up having to do on the softs at the end of the race and whether or not that compromises their pace to allow the current front runners to get back past (if they haven't already done so).iotar__ wrote:About today: My thinking that Ferrari can lose position to cars on softs was wrong because everyone else behind them should be starting on mediums, too.
To me it looks like not enough laps to make a big difference: "we're faster on softs, let's overtake them .... oh too late for that we need to pit, like everybody else, it doesn't matter".
atanatizante wrote: 2. The kevlar belt is increasing tyre operation window with almost 10 degree Celsius
Correct. Where it's supposed to help is that by reducing the working temperature you see less thermal degradation of the rubber. The trade off is that it's a little harder to generate temperature in the tyre which can lead to graining.Pilatus wrote:Kevlar belt decreases tyre working temperature by 10 ℃.atanatizante wrote: 2. The kevlar belt is increasing tyre operation window with almost 10 degree Celsius
How will that affect car performance in the race....that's yet to see.
It should be interesting (for F1 standards at least) and Brawn said pretty much the same about strategies in the Sky article quoted above. It may work depending on how easy it is to overtake. Judging from GP2 race that just finished the track itself doesn't look like a straightforward and easy to pass on. It's only GP2 and DRS changes a lot this season but it's some indication.myurr wrote:It'll all come down to how much of a gap those starting on softs can pull, how much field spread there will be, whether having mediums that are 5 - 7 laps (or more) fresher will give enough of a pace advantage to make overtaking those starting on mediums a relatively easy affair, and how many laps the medium starters end up having to do on the softs at the end of the race and whether or not that compromises their pace to allow the current front runners to get back past (if they haven't already done so).iotar__ wrote:About today: My thinking that Ferrari can lose position to cars on softs was wrong because everyone else behind them should be starting on mediums, too.
To me it looks like not enough laps to make a big difference: "we're faster on softs, let's overtake them .... oh too late for that we need to pit, like everybody else, it doesn't matter".
I don't think anyone can say either strategy is clear cut and both camps will be nervous about what the other can do. Should be interesting to find out!
Agreed. If Ham or Vet can pull a gap and start really flying, it will be hard to pull them back unless Ham fades and is the one leading that may mix it up. Fred's gotta get a good start and make moves towards the front immediately or yes it won't work.myurr wrote:It'll all come down to how much of a gap those starting on softs can pull, how much field spread there will be, whether having mediums that are 5 - 7 laps (or more) fresher will give enough of a pace advantage to make overtaking those starting on mediums a relatively easy affair, and how many laps the medium starters end up having to do on the softs at the end of the race and whether or not that compromises their pace to allow the current front runners to get back past (if they haven't already done so).iotar__ wrote:About today: My thinking that Ferrari can lose position to cars on softs was wrong because everyone else behind them should be starting on mediums, too.
To me it looks like not enough laps to make a big difference: "we're faster on softs, let's overtake them .... oh too late for that we need to pit, like everybody else, it doesn't matter".
I don't think anyone can say either strategy is clear cut and both camps will be nervous about what the other can do. Should be interesting to find out!
@ marcush : you should read what he said about that matter but with one amendment:marcush. wrote: ...
Why would the kevlar belt reduce the (average?)running temp? I ´d think the change in temperature would be a steeper rise and fall for a metallic belt and a kevlar belt would dampen out the temp peaks but would this be the equivalent of a hotter average running temp? by ten degrees? This would meean more energy put into the tyre and not released again quickly enough ..a bit contradicting to me.
n smikle wrote:Thinking it through some possible ways the steel belted tyre would run hotter than Kevlar is:
1. lower overall heat transfer coefficient
2. Higher heat generation (more movement in the rubber and belt interface and flexing of the belt possibly?)
3. Lower Heat capacity says the steel is heat up more rapidly -
Notice that If the kevlar with its higher heat capacity is used, Mercedes will take longer to heat up the tyres in qualifying, but at the same time the higher heat capacity will hold more energy within the tyres. The tyre will be a better storer of energy. This will help during track temperature changes.. and it will also help after running off the racing line. Overall it will give Mecerdes and even more so, RedBull a strong advantage.
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