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That Statement from McLaren in the Article soothed my doubts.
“At this time of the year it’s normal for all teams to be pushing everything to the limit in an effort to extract the most performance, and crash tests are no different. McLaren will pass all the tests prior to track running.”
Olus Gary Paffet said they will be in Jerez. I don't think we should worry too much. Maybe it was a rather extreme solution they tested already suspecting it could go wrong and have that all planned in. No one knows.
Timstr wrote:Gptoday stole the news from omnicorse actually.
GPToday havent stolen anything. GPToday merely collects news from all the F1 sources they know off.
if you click the link you'll see it's a different site that reported it.
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“At this time of the year it’s normal for all teams to be pushing everything to the limit in an effort to extract the most performance, and crash tests are no different. McLaren will pass all the tests prior to track running.”
because they have to. I don't see that quote as relevant to the latest reports
In the article regarding car fails crash test it says it was designed by Matt Morris. I thought Tim Goss was due to head up designing the MP4/29 and Matt was going to head up 2015 Honda car (MP4/30) is this another typo or is the whole article a bit suspect?
Del Boy wrote:In the article regarding car fails crash test it says it was designed by Matt Morris. I thought Tim Goss was due to head up designing the MP4/29 and Matt was going to head up 2015 Honda car (MP4/30) is this another typo or is the whole article a bit suspect?
No I've seen in another article that Matt Morris is designing the 29. I thought that was peculiar too since he only arrived last summer.
It would make sense to me to put the Veteran Designer on the car with Honda since they will probably be developing it now at least conceptualisn and thinking about engine mapping and just packaging.. I don't know I think it makes sense..
Timstr wrote:Gptoday stole the news from omnicorse actually.
Until I read this ''bad'' news on Mp4-29 falling the crash test on Autosport, ESPN F1, BCC Sports, SkyF1 or other more relevant sites I'm not buying it.....
I'm not saying that GPToday is a unreliable web site....but still.....
"AUTOSPORT understands that McLaren has not yet passed all the mandatory FIA crash tests - and there has been speculation that it may even have failed one or more tests, putting it behind schedule."
OK, it doesn't say they failed the crash test, but not passing them is the same when it comes to schedule, you can't pretend otherwise, same with not confirming test participation. Lotus who are to miss Jerez passed all the tests couple days ago and it was considered tragedy . Of course McL may pass it just before going on track in Jerez.
Timstr wrote:Gptoday stole the news from omnicorse actually.
Until I read this ''bad'' news on Mp4-29 falling the crash test on Autosport, ESPN F1, BCC Sports, SkyF1 or other more relevant sites I'm not buying it.....
I'm not saying that GPToday is a unreliable web site....but still.....
"AUTOSPORT understands that McLaren has not yet passed all the mandatory FIA crash tests - and there has been speculation that it may even have failed one or more tests, putting it behind schedule."
OK, it doesn't say they failed the crash test, but not passing them is the same when it comes to schedule, you can't pretend otherwise, same with not confirming test participation. Lotus who are to miss Jerez passed all the tests couple days ago and it was considered tragedy . Of course McL may pass it just before going on track in Jerez.
Yeah, it appears MCL are again in deep trouble, I'm just guessing how can this team go so wrong .....how???
what if mclaren is the team alongside lotus not to appear at jerez?
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Del Boy wrote:In the article regarding car fails crash test it says it was designed by Matt Morris. I thought Tim Goss was due to head up designing the MP4/29 and Matt was going to head up 2015 Honda car (MP4/30) is this another typo or is the whole article a bit suspect?
No I've seen in another article that Matt Morris is designing the 29. I thought that was peculiar too since he only arrived last summer.
Tim is the technical director and Morris is the engineering director.
I guess Tim decides what to pursue and Morris is the guy doing the pursuing.
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I'm very disapointed... How is that possible to faill those crash test, when you switched all your efforts towards mp4-29 in a time when Red Bull continued to develop the car and Mercedes and Ferrari were diverting resources towards 2013 and 2014 cars. Whitmarsh said that at the begining of the season they saw that they were almost 2 seconds behind, and they decided to divert the majority of their resources to 2014, much earlier than other top team involved in the championship battle. Totally unacceptable...
Manoah2u wrote:what if mclaren is the team alongside lotus not to appear at jerez?
It never did Red Bull any harm to sit out the first test.
Not in a season like this, it is of paramount importance to test as much as you can before the start due to the massive changes of the power unit, the level of down force, ERS, and driveability of the car.....not to mention set up work, areo correlation with the simulator...TIERS(our least favorite subject) rookie driver .....ETC
Manoah2u wrote:what if mclaren is the team alongside lotus not to appear at jerez?
Then they have to contest a non points scoring Korean Grand Prix
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Mclaren Mp4-29 failed the crash test because took an very aggressive aproach with Mp4-29's design. I was a little pessimistic when I heared that, but after I started to think and search for accurate opinions WHY THAT HAPPENED, I found that the problem might not be so black, by the contrary... So the design of Mp4-29 have to be light and efficient, maybe a little step ahead of other top team designs. I have found an interesting article with Charlie Whiting explaining that every team can take the test easy if they don't push to far the limits with the car: "Come spiegava lo stesso Charlie Whiting in un nostro recente articolo: “Ogni team di F1 è in grado di superare i crash test al primo tentativo, senza nessun problema. Ma, ovviamente, loro cercano di costruire auto leggere e con efficienza aerodinamica molto alta. E questo richiede l’utilizzo di forme che spesso cozzano contro le tolleranze previste dai nostri crash test”.
Now, we can correlate this information with Mclaren's statement "At this time of the year it's normal for all teams to be pushing everything to the limit in an effort to extract the most performance, and crash tests are no different."
Failure of a crash test can't be a good thing, but let's read between the letters, yes they might be a little behind schedule, but that thing can be compesated by a much more efficient general concept of the car. With small alterations of the design in some key areas, the car will pass the test, and might have some advantage that other cars which took a more cautious aproach
. Of course McL may pass it just before going on track in Jerez.
