Toro Rosso STR9 Renault

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motobaleno
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henra wrote: Drag will probably not the dominant issue this year.
many of your speculations are good but this one it's hard...
with the fuel limitations I do think that drag will be dominant

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beelsebob wrote:
patrik wrote:
beelsebob wrote:Why is the car the STR, if it's no longer Scuderia?
What are you talking about? Scuderia means "team" in Italian, and they are based in Faenza. It has nohing to do with Ferrari.
No, Scuderia means "stable" in italian, and refers to Ferrari's horse.
In a direct, harsh translation it is a stable. (Stalla is a much more appropriate term for stable, fyi.) But through usage in autoracing terms it has become a synonym for "team". As in horses in the stable, many of them, together.

You use to have all kinds of Scuderias in F1 or otherwise, that was just a name they chose. Nothing to do with Ferrari customer power.
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beelsebob wrote:
patrik wrote:
beelsebob wrote:Why is the car the STR, if it's no longer Scuderia?
What are you talking about? Scuderia means "team" in Italian, and they are based in Faenza. It has nohing to do with Ferrari.
No, Scuderia means "stable" in italian, and refers to Ferrari's horse.
red bull is an f1 stable. ferrari is an f1 stable. lotus is an f1 stable. it's no reference to ferrari at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuderia
"Scuderia" may refer to:
any of a number of other Italian racing teams, such as Scuderia Ambrosiana, Scuderia Bizzarrini, Scuderia Italia, Scuderia Centro Sud, Scuderia Enrico Plate, Scuderia Filipinetti, Scuderia La Fortuna, Scuderia Lavaggi, Scuderia Milano, Scuderia Sant'Ambroeus, Scuderia Serenissima, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Scuderia Volpini, etc.
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motobaleno wrote: many of your speculations are good but this one it's hard...
with the fuel limitations I do think that drag will be dominant
Indeed I also hesitated a bit about that claim.
Still I expect DF balance + traction (+reliability) to be the topics overshadowing everything else over the season.

That said, it is likely there will be circuits where the drag in combination with the fuel limit will be a signifcant factor.
In most of the tighter circuits I reckon it will be not so much as other factors.
If the improved efficiency of the diffuser allows you to run a little less wing the overall drag of the car for the same amount of DF might be equal.
In that case you would have comparable overall l/d for the fast circuits and increased max DF for the slower circuits.

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SchumacherM wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
patrik wrote: What are you talking about? Scuderia means "team" in Italian, and they are based in Faenza. It has nohing to do with Ferrari.
No, Scuderia means "stable" in italian, and refers to Ferrari's horse.
In a direct, harsh translation it is a stable. (Stalla is a much more appropriate term for stable, fyi.) But through usage in autoracing terms it has become a synonym for "team". As in horses in the stable, many of them, together.

You use to have all kinds of Scuderias in F1 or otherwise, that was just a name they chose. Nothing to do with Ferrari customer power.
As evidenced by them using it back when they had Cosworth power.
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Can someone explain me this?
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Or they just hide the difuser for some reason?

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Never been different, teams always try to hide their diffusors. (they'll even hang bords over them as soon as the car enters the pits)
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Alice the Goon from Popeye the sailor man.
Or is it the new STR F1, I can't be sure.

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"badically pressuring rosnerg " Ringo 05/10/2014

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AnthonyG wrote:Never been different, teams always try to hide their diffusors. (they'll even hang bords over them as soon as the car enters the pits)


They should hang boards over car noses as soon as they stop.

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Manoah2u wrote:
miguelalvesreis wrote:
CMSMJ1 wrote:^^ Air to air intercooler maybe - much lighter and able to be mounted up there for a smaller penalty?
Too small to be the intercooler!
ughh why the hostility :roll:
Hostility? No hostility at all. Just saw it on my phone and made a quick comment. Sorry if sounded harsh! Not my intention dough!

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I used to read in that forum for a couple of years now. Finally I decided to contribute as well. Some more detail shots from German magazine AMuS:

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and...(this is gonna be my last joke in that regard, I swear) now I know what the woman's point of view is like:
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ringo
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nice looking car. I didn't expect anywhere to be blown by the exhaust, i thought the tail pipe would be placed further back.
Let's see if the monkey seat which is blown the the exhaust is legal.
If it is, then it's a point where serious gains can be made.
For Sure!!

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AnthonyG wrote:Never been different, teams always try to hide their diffusors. (they'll even hang bords over them as soon as the car enters the pits)
hmm... sporting regulations state:

27.4 During the entire Event, no screen, cover or other obstruction which in any way obscures any
part of a car will be allowed at any time in the paddock, garages, pit lane or grid, unless it is
clear any such covers are needed solely for mechanical reasons, which could, for example,
include protecting against fire.
In addition to the above the following are specifically not permitted :
a) Engine, gearbox or radiator covers whilst engines are being changed or moved around
the garage.
b) Covers over spare wings when they are on a stand in the pit lane not being used.
c) Parts such as (but not limited to) spare floors, fuel rigs or tool trolleys may not be used
as an obstruction.

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langwadt wrote:
AnthonyG wrote:Never been different, teams always try to hide their diffusors. (they'll even hang bords over them as soon as the car enters the pits)
hmm... sporting regulations state:

27.4 During the entire Event, no screen, cover or other obstruction which in any way obscures any
part of a car will be allowed at any time in the paddock, garages, pit lane or grid, unless it is
clear any such covers are needed solely for mechanical reasons, which could, for example,
include protecting against fire.
In addition to the above the following are specifically not permitted :
a) Engine, gearbox or radiator covers whilst engines are being changed or moved around
the garage.
b) Covers over spare wings when they are on a stand in the pit lane not being used.
c) Parts such as (but not limited to) spare floors, fuel rigs or tool trolleys may not be used
as an obstruction.
Test days are not events.