Ferrari SF21

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Mr.G wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 22:49
Interesting aerorack - pitot tubes at different angles instead of classic "grid" formation. Is this new or did I just miss something last years?
Ferrari used this aero rake in Abu Dhabi testing last year for the first time.

https://scuderiafans.com/what-ferraris- ... 21-f1-car/

Italian media claimed that a huge amount of resources and time went into this innovative rake.

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Thanks! I've checked Mercedes' rack from today's test day and their pitot tubes are also at different angles, despite of "grid" layout...
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Ferrari powered cars run with much bigger rear wings than year ago. Very strange

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Carl Mccoy wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 01:23
Ferrari powered cars run with much bigger rear wings than year ago. Very strange
Maybe they have appreciable power gain with ICE on one side and at the same time they were with full tanks and/or they are sandbagging. We have to wait for results from all 3 days for any realistic analyze.

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Mr.G wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 00:39
Thanks! I've checked Mercedes' rack from today's test day and their pitot tubes are also at different angles, despite of "grid" layout...
Yes I also noticed that but I think that they are not anywhere close with complexity to those on Ferrari.

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FDD wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 01:39
Carl Mccoy wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 01:23
Ferrari powered cars run with much bigger rear wings than year ago. Very strange
Maybe they have appreciable power gain with ICE on one side and at the same time they were with full tanks and/or they are sandbagging. We have to wait for results from all 3 days for any realistic analyze.
For what it's worth...
https://racingnews365.com/gene-ferrari- ... st-in-2021

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Rear suspension isn't a Mercedes copy, but seems like the lower rear triangle arm has been pushed backwards and upwards and enveloped together with the driveshaft.

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The new fw makes use of the "adjuster trick" where the inner part of the top flap is more aggressively angled than the outer part.
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FDD wrote:
Carl Mccoy wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 01:23
Ferrari powered cars run with much bigger rear wings than year ago. Very strange
Maybe they have appreciable power gain with ICE on one side and at the same time they were with full tanks and/or they are sandbagging. We have to wait for results from all 3 days for any realistic analyze.
There is no point for the teams to “sandbag” there is nothing to gain by doing so.

Full tanks of fuel, lower power modes, etc could definitely be at play, but those are used not to “mask” their performance, simply because it helps analyze better changes in setup by limiting factors... It’s a myth that teams purposely hide their performance.


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Has anyone seen footage? We don’t have access in Australia thanks to our good mate Rupert Murdoch having exclusive rights.

How does the Ferrari look on track? Leclerc sounded positive. Times aren’t lighting up the timing screens, which could be great - a more methodical, focused approach to testing instead of blasting a quick time on day 1.

Overall, positive first day.

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JPBD1990 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 02:37
Has anyone seen footage? We don’t have access in Australia thanks to our good mate Rupert Murdoch having exclusive rights.

How does the Ferrari look on track? Leclerc sounded positive. Times aren’t lighting up the timing screens, which could be great - a more methodical, focused approach to testing instead of blasting a quick time on day 1.

Overall, positive first day.
I didn't watch much, some traction struggles maybe... but looked like an ok balance to me.
Carlos was driving btw, so also some learning curve with a new team, PU and chassis.

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JPBD1990 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 02:37
Has anyone seen footage? We don’t have access in Australia thanks to our good mate Rupert Murdoch having exclusive rights.

How does the Ferrari look on track? Leclerc sounded positive. Times aren’t lighting up the timing screens, which could be great - a more methodical, focused approach to testing instead of blasting a quick time on day 1.

Overall, positive first day.
Not much to see/determine at this stage. I would say the livery looks better on track than it did in the staged photos.

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Scorpaguy wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 03:23
JPBD1990 wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 02:37
Has anyone seen footage? We don’t have access in Australia thanks to our good mate Rupert Murdoch having exclusive rights.

How does the Ferrari look on track? Leclerc sounded positive. Times aren’t lighting up the timing screens, which could be great - a more methodical, focused approach to testing instead of blasting a quick time on day 1.

Overall, positive first day.
Not much to see/determine at this stage. I would say the livery looks better on track than it did in the staged photos.
Yes, that's right, not much to see in general, the car looked stable, but nobody really pushed. Sainz had a spin in the same turn as Verstappen did. The track was very complicated, the sandstorm was quite strong, and rendered it very slippery. By the way, how much would that affect the life span of the engines the teams brought to Bahrain?

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Engines are filtered pretty well even in F1 cars, but the radiators, aero surfaces, brakes and things like the wheel bearings will have taken a hammering.

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Carl Mccoy wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 01:23
Ferrari powered cars run with much bigger rear wings than year ago. Very strange
Alfa and Haas didn't compromise their rear wing setups to account for the lost power iirc, they almost always ran big rear wings except at the low df tracks. Ferrari on the other hand, I wouldn't read into the wing at testing, they're not competing with anyone yet, if they get to a race weekend and are losing 2 tenths per straight then they'll switch to the spoon wing
Sevach wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 01:57

Rear suspension isn't a Mercedes copy, but seems like the lower rear triangle arm has been pushed backwards and upwards and enveloped together with the driveshaft.
So more Red Bull style? Do you think the aero benefit will still be sizeable? Or will it be smaller than we saw with the Mercedes?

Also, Ferrari apparently spent their tokens on the gearbox/gearbox casing, how are they then allowed to play with the suspension like this? Doesn't changing rear suspension require a different set of tokens? I don't understand the token system fully

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Scarbs wrote:Ferrari running lights and cameras to look at the gap between the rear tyres and diffuser, as the tyre flex and deform.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwKEnCkXAAE ... =4096x4096

I have a question, regarding rear suspension. In the picture marked in green, is it from sf1000?
In that case SF21 is huge upgrade, it would be interesting to see old suspention, still used on Alfa this year?