Ferrari 150° Italia

[Richard]

All structures have inherent damping. They could play with the structural properties of the wing & pylon. Using a bit of ballast in the right place would also help tune it.

The trouble is that stopping the undesired movement might stop the desired flex too!

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Indian GP - A Step Forward


Felipe Massa: “What happened on my last timed lap was a real shame. Today, we had the potential to secure a good placing, as Fernando demonstrated and as can also be seen from the fact my sixth best time was set with a rather slow third sector. I came into Turn 8 and went over the kerb and the front right suspension gave way in the impact with the raised orange part, which in my opinion is too high at this point. It’s a very fast corner, taken at around 215 km/h and it could be arranged differently. These are details that need improving for next year. I repeat, I am disappointed, because the car has been going well all weekend long. Now I find myself with one less set of Softs and with a broken front wing. It was the new one, which we had here for the first time and it delivered a bit extra in terms of performance. Tomorrow, overtaking will be difficult because of the dirt on track, but I think we will still see a lot.”

Pat Fry: “I don’t know if our mechanics will take home happy memories of this race, because we’ve definitely given them a lot to do over the past two days. Yesterday, there was an unexpected engine change on Fernando’s car and today we have to repair Felipe’s car. As for the performance we saw in qualifying, the verdict is reasonably positive. The 150º Italia proved to be very competitive in the first two sectors of the track and given its characteristics, the performance in the second is encouraging. However, we struggled a bit more in the last one, especially when compared to Vettel’s Red Bull. The new front wing allows more room to manoeuvre when it comes to aerodynamic balance, which is always positive. The Soft tyres seem to be at their best on the second timed lap and degradation appears to be lower than expected and similar to what we saw in Korea, where the track was equally smooth. We need to find the best strategy and, in Felipe’s case, minimise the loss of one set of Softs which were damaged in the accident.”


This is the same wing from Korea---> http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1 ... fying.aspx

And it does pass FIA Regs

[ringo]

There is little to play with in this case.
The wing simply needs to be redesigned to a more aerodynamically insensitive one.
The wing material is very stiff, any damping solution may be a moving one, or one with much weaker materials involved, as the wing is a cantilever and the range of damping to prevent such a great disturbance may not be withing any structural property that would simultaneously allow it to pass the wing test.

[ell66]

Does scrutineering do tests after Qualifying? The Saubers in Melbourne were disqualified only after the race (rather than after qualifying) which is why I asked.

No, the cars are monitored from the moment you leave the garage in Q1 all the way through until the end of the race. After qualifying they're taken to the garages, and seals placed over them so they can't be tampered with. They are only tested for compliance after the race.

Then why in the past have front wing checks been done before qualifying? i remember that was the case at spa last year.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Fernando says despite speculation that he had to change wings, he didn't and it's been the same Korean wing all weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu6_5nOS ... e=youtu.be

[dave34m]

As for the wing moving so much and if by some strange setup they have passed the flex tests then the FIA still have this bit of law to use:

3.17.8 In order to ensure that the requirements of Article 3.15 are respected, the FIA reserves the right to introduce further load/deflection tests on any part of the bodywork which appears to be (or is suspected of), moving whilst the car is in motion.

[komninosm]

As for the wing moving so much and if by some strange setup they have passed the flex tests then the FIA still have this bit of law to use:

3.17.8 In order to ensure that the requirements of Article 3.15 are respected, the FIA reserves the right to introduce further load/deflection tests on any part of the bodywork which appears to be (or is suspected of), moving whilst the car is in motion.

Yeah, yeah, we quoted that rule many times in the Red Bull flexi wing controversy thread, to no avail.........................
They should have used this and outlawed Red Bull's cheats all this time and made the championship more interesting these last two years instead of a cakewalk. They hurt their own income..................................
Sorry for harsh language.

[MIKEY_!]

Massa's suspension failure was worrying. I wonder if Ferarri's much talked about aggressive approach to 2012 is following the Newey route of everything down to the minimum. Hope the 2012 car isn't as fragile as the RB6.

If it's as competitive as the RB6 relative to the opposition then I won't mind.

[QLDriver]

Not to feed the conspiracy, but presumably even relatively small fragments could give a lot of information about the carbon fibre layup?

[MIKEY_!]

Guess so, if its from the right part of the wing.

[Rudex]

New engine cover output?.

[SICK AL]

it´s sad to see how ferrari is copying the red bull.

but did you see the wing from massa passing a hrt?

[komninosm]

I saw a Lotus rear wing vibrating like crazy just now too.

[afiq]

New engine cover output?.

This cover is tested first at Monaco and used in hot races

[ESPImperium]

Could the suspension failures of Massa be related to the resonating front wing???

What im thinking is the resonance in the wing is going thru the nose box and shaking the front end to shreds and the aero being slightly more lumpy giving unusual aero loads, coupled with the way Massa was consistently hitting those negative valalungas thus creating unusual stress on the components used.