I never said it worked well.
Clearly their testing data tells them that they would be faster with it than without it.
Alternatively, though somewhat less rigorously, "does indeed work" means scrapping with Williams instead of Marussia.
As in it works better than without them...321apex wrote:Can you define precisely the meaning of "does indeed work" in the context of finishing a race out of points and qualifying out of top 10.Lycoming wrote:They tested back-to-back with and without the butterflies at the Bahrain test and they're still on the car, so it would seem that their data suggests that it does indeed work.
#aerogollumturbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
Good drivability and a robust downforce level goes down to a good interconnected suspension.Dipesh1995 wrote:Last year's car did have a decent amount of downforce but it was inconsistent downforce which made the car unpredictable and difficult to drive therefore making the car not very usable. Whitmarsh did say that the car was too "peaky" (http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12479 ... ens-mp4-28).beelsebob wrote: I'm confident that they have the exact same issue this year as they had last year. I think any lack of drivability they had last year was down to a fundamental downforce defect.
However, with this year's car, the downforce on the car is consistent therefore the car has good drivability but the problem is that the car doesn't have enough downforce.
Lycoming wrote:They tested back-to-back with and without the butterflies at the Bahrain test and they're still on the car, so it would seem that their data suggests that it does indeed work.
I refer to my last post: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 48#p507248megasyxx wrote:Well, but they did do good during the season opener....maybe they were just simply outdeveloped by some teams or their bits and pieces just put them backwards....
If this is to be believed 100% (I'm sceptical because it seems every race they're about to unlock the cars potential) do we believe the increase in DF is with or without the butterfly's.bauc wrote:As per Autosport - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113601 - Mclaren has managed to find some downforce back in the factory and they expect this group of updates to bring the MP4-29 back in the fight with the teams behind the Mercs. But they also add that the process of the brining the updates to take few races so we will probably won't see any huge improvement of the pace of the MP4-29 at the Barcelona track but some improvement will be welcomed after all in order to bring the season back on track.
Are you saying that McLaren doesn't have interconnected suspension? Or are you trying to say that it doesn't work well? Either way can you provide some evidence to back up your claims.basti313 wrote:I refer to my last post: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 48#p507248megasyxx wrote:Well, but they did do good during the season opener....maybe they were just simply outdeveloped by some teams or their bits and pieces just put them backwards....
If you just need traction from slow corners everything is ok like it was in Melbourne. If you have to accelerate out of fast corners you need well working interconnected suspension.
Even Marussia has interconnected suspension, so it would be stupid to claim McLaren has none...trinidefender wrote:Are you saying that McLaren doesn't have interconnected suspension?basti313 wrote:I refer to my last post: http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 48#p507248megasyxx wrote:Well, but they did do good during the season opener....maybe they were just simply outdeveloped by some teams or their bits and pieces just put them backwards....
If you just need traction from slow corners everything is ok like it was in Melbourne. If you have to accelerate out of fast corners you need well working interconnected suspension.
For Ferrari it took half a season to get the front axle working so well that they could learn anything from the car. For Merc it took three years to get the interconnected suspension working. So there can be not much doubt, that the McLaren interconnected suspension is at the beginning of its development as they never got the setup well last year.trinidefender wrote: Or are you trying to say that it doesn't work well?
It is interesting, that you ask for evidence for the rather clear suspension change and its problems while this thread is spoiled by wild speculations round butterflys.trinidefender wrote: Either way can you provide some evidence to back up your claims.
The main function of the interconnected suspension is pushing the front up when the rear is pushed down. This helps you to run lower ground clearance because you gain space at the splitter and front wing.trinidefender wrote: Next, why is it that your interconnected suspension has to be great for fast corners? Personally I would think good rear downforce is what is required for accelerating out of fast corners.
McLaren now has a lot of Lotus guys in their ranks, Lotus being one of the teams with one of the better FRIC systems in previous years.basti313 wrote:For Ferrari it took half a season to get the front axle working so well that they could learn anything from the car. For Merc it took three years to get the interconnected suspension working. So there can be not much doubt, that the McLaren interconnected suspension is at the beginning of its development as they never got the setup well last year.trinidefender wrote: Or are you trying to say that it doesn't work well?
And as stated: In Melbourne the McLarens were good. As soon they had to cope with fast corners and accelerating out of fast corners it all got worse. This is clear evidence for a not working interconnected suspension.
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That's what I think. They've suddenly found this extra downforce shortly after first testing the car without the butterfly suspension. I think they found a solution relating to that which gives them a lot more downforce.Del Boy wrote:If this is to be believed 100% (I'm sceptical because it seems every race they're about to unlock the cars potential) do we believe the increase in DF is with or without the butterfly's.
If the butterfly's are removed I assume the whole rear has to be changed to a more conventional coke bottle design. Which is possible thanks to the Mercedes engine. This solution would take the longest to manufacture!