olefud wrote:
As a generality, trail braking is a function of the ability to accelerate vs. the need to carry speed through the corner. Obviously acceleration is diminished out of a high speed corner.
Source: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/op ... -from-spa/During the Belgian GP, while Lewis was consistently as quick or quicker than Nico, he was slower at La Source. He was told at least twice on the radio that Rosberg was braking earlier but carrying more speed through the turn. As Eau Rouge is now flat, your exit speed from La Source determines your speed all the way to Les Combes, almost half a lap away
Reminds me of Jenson and Lewis in Turkey 2010 lol.raymondu999 wrote:Source: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/op ... -from-spa/During the Belgian GP, while Lewis was consistently as quick or quicker than Nico, he was slower at La Source. He was told at least twice on the radio that Rosberg was braking earlier but carrying more speed through the turn. As Eau Rouge is now flat, your exit speed from La Source determines your speed all the way to Les Combes, almost half a lap away
More to the point, I think that perhaps it could've been something for Lewis to take on board, and gone even quickerSectorOne wrote:I wonder if they told Rosberg he was slower everywhere else on track?
No but it´s great having two quick guys like that, learning from each other and fine-tuning the lap will benefit both from extracting everything from it.
Indeed it does. Turkey 2011 - Button kept getting a much better exit out of 9/10 than Hamilton. Goes to show that there are times when trail braking indeed is slower.JimClarkFan wrote:Reminds me of Jenson and Lewis in Turkey 2010 lol.raymondu999 wrote:Source: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/op ... -from-spa/During the Belgian GP, while Lewis was consistently as quick or quicker than Nico, he was slower at La Source. He was told at least twice on the radio that Rosberg was braking earlier but carrying more speed through the turn. As Eau Rouge is now flat, your exit speed from La Source determines your speed all the way to Les Combes, almost half a lap away
''You're braking to late there mate''
''No I'm not''
lol....
With respect to this weekend, was this said during quali or the race? or practice. Would be interesting to see if he did anything about it.
I don't think they trail brake to varying depths *in* the corner, rather they shift the whole corner - ie I think even if you took a late apex, you'd trail brake till 50% rotation, then power outtimbo wrote:Guys, come on!
In F1 everyone trail brakes EVERY time.
Only the degree of how deep into the corner the brake is still on differs.
No don't think so. Depends on the corner and desired rate of rotation.raymondu999 wrote:I don't think they trail brake to varying depths *in* the corner, rather they shift the whole corner - ie I think even if you took a late apex, you'd trail brake till 50% rotation, then power outtimbo wrote:Guys, come on!
In F1 everyone trail brakes EVERY time.
Only the degree of how deep into the corner the brake is still on differs.
So which kind of corners is it benefical for and which kind it is not? Sorry I couldnt understand because of my English and there may be other people that couldnt understand too.Andres125sx wrote:olefud wrote:
As a generality, trail braking is a function of the ability to accelerate vs. the need to carry speed through the corner. Obviously acceleration is diminished out of a high speed corner.
Exactly, depending on the corner it may be beneficial or not
On long corners it´s not beneficial. For trail braking you turn to face the inner kerbs sooner to be able to continue with the car straight (almost) and keep the foot on the brake longer (so you can brake later), but when you release the brake pedal and turn, you´re not on the outside, so your line throught the corner need to be thighter. This means you need to turn the wheel a little bit more so your min speed thought the corner is lower. If it´s a short corner and it´s just an moment, and you are on the throttle again, it´s beneficial because of the huge acceleration of F1 cars, but if it´s a long corner where you can´t hit the throttle that soon and need to keep the wheel turned some seconds, then lowering your min speed is not beneficial because you lose more time through the corner than you won braking a bit laterErunanethiel wrote:So which kind of corners is it benefical for and which kind it is not? Sorry I couldnt understand because of my English and there may be other people that couldnt understand too.Andres125sx wrote:olefud wrote:
As a generality, trail braking is a function of the ability to accelerate vs. the need to carry speed through the corner. Obviously acceleration is diminished out of a high speed corner.
Exactly, depending on the corner it may be beneficial or not
Thanks.
Well this bit spoils the rest of the article.theformula wrote:Here's some analysis of Lewis Hamilton's turn in style from a while back:
uk.askmen.com/cars/news_150/158_news.html
What a load of compost.F1 drivers, tied to carbon brakes, are not supposed to play with the left-foot pedal. The macho thing is to jab it hard - on and off.
...but everybody does this... you simply cannot be an F1 driver if you're using the brakes as a binary input. If you don't trail brake in an F1 car, you go several seconds off the pace, wreck the tires, or both.... I'd bet my house that, just prior to the ultimate moment of steering load, Lewis gradually decreases the brake pedal pressure in a way that modern F1 drivers, tied to carbon brakes, are not supposed to play with the left-foot pedal. The macho thing is to jab it hard - on and off. Lewis, though, is different. Decrease, decrease... then steering load.
