2013 Korean Grand Prix

[Rikhart]

Dude if you honestly believe grosjean is better than Raikkonen in any way, shape, or form, you have serious issues.

[majki2111]

Dude if you honestly believe grosjean is better than Raikkonen in any way, shape, or form, you have serious issues.

Grosejan is better than Kimi in raw speed.

[Rikhart]

Dude if you honestly believe grosjean is better than Raikkonen in any way, shape, or form, you have serious issues.

Grosejan is better than Kimi in raw speed.

Sure he is, whatever makes you happy. Go look at all sort of stats (qualy, fastest laps, wins, points, finishes, anything thats worth something) while they are both in the same car, if you still think that after checking those, sorry can´t help you any more mate.

[hendrix]

Hulkenberg needs to given one of those top cars. He is great....

There is only one top car , well, there are two but one is always broken, crashed or in flames.

[atanatizante]

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POS	NO	DRIVER	KPH	TIME OF DAY
1	2	M. WEBBER	320.1	15:40:19
2	4	F. MASSA	320.0	15:44:15
3	3	F. ALONSO	320.0	16:32:17
4	6	S. PEREZ	318.8	16:44:32
5	12	E. GUTIERREZ	318.1	16:25:28
6	19	D. RICCIARDO	317.2	15:42:27
7	11	N. HULKENBERG	317.0	16:34:01
8	9	N. ROSBERG	316.8	16:35:47
9	14	P. DI RESTA	316.6	15:19:13
10	10	L. HAMILTON	316.5	16:25:22
11	18	J. VERGNE	316.1	15:44:30
12	15	A. SUTIL	316.1	15:47:51
13	1	S. VETTEL	314.0	15:46:51
14	5	J. BUTTON	314.0	16:28:52
15	17	V. BOTTAS	313.9	16:30:46
16	16	P. MALDONADO	313.7	16:27:12
17	23	M. CHILTON	312.8	15:45:07
18	21	G. VAN DER GARDE	311.7	16:29:10
19	20	C. PIC	311.5	15:17:17
20	22	J. BIANCHI	311.0	15:21:02
21	7	K. RAIKKONEN	310.2	15:47:21
22	8	R. GROSJEAN	310.1	16:45:46

So Hulk didn't have that top speed advantage everyone was thinking ...
If should see again the race and notice 2 other big factors:
1. His huge traction advantage special in turn 2, a 4th gear turn, which was very well backed up by a full KERS depletion right after this turn
2 Another advantage was that his RW was setup to get a higher top speed when DRS was off which in conjunction with a very short 3,4 and 5th gear and a full KERS depletion enabled him to easily past Lewis after the first SC on the long straight

Now in the first stint Alonso was also stucked behind Hulk (even he has had 4 km/h more than Lewis on the long straight) but not like he has had a poor traction (like Lewis) and was down to the special short middle gears setup for greater acceleration and also down to the small difference between DRS on and off in Hulk's case ...

As for Lewis it was clear that Merc did wrong with his setup, basically with the middle gears, when he was easily past by Grosjean at the start of the race and the latter was the slowest in the speed traps (6 km/h down on Lewis, weah when the DRS was enable) ... so another disadvantage was that Merc has had a very big difference between DRS on and off ...
Also he has had a very short 7th gear coz he was hitting very soon the limiter as we saw in the battle with Hulk.

[f1316]

Seems like sauber's been better - with greater traction - since they brought in the RB style exhaust. Which is interesting because it implies it can still be done to good effect with a Ferrari engine.

[Traction]

Anybody think that a Lewis 2-3 years ago would not have let Grosjean get the better of him and also maybe found a way past Hulkenberg?

[Joie de vivre]

the only chance was at the end of the start lane. he had no chance against hulk at the start of the longest strecth, sauber just had better acceleration

[notApineapple]

Anybody think that a Lewis 2-3 years ago would not have let Grosjean get the better of him and also maybe found a way past Hulkenberg?

Not really. The lack of traction meant that his only hope was to try something under brakes which would have been kamakaze with his rooted tyres.

[SectorOne]

The most bizarre and frustrating race i have ever watched in my life.
Mercedes needs to work on their traction out of medium speed corners and slower corners, they were incredibly slow out of corners compared to the Ferrari, Sauber, Red Bull etc.

Stupid DRS positioning as well. Absolutely retarded placement.

Brilliant Mercedes strategy as well... losing 2,5 seconds per lap, driver says they are past their graining phase and still feels the smart option is to keep him out.

[ringo]

Dude if you honestly believe grosjean is better than Raikkonen in any way, shape, or form, you have serious issues.

Grosejan is better than Kimi in raw speed.

I agree with this. I am a fan of neither. Being completely objective. Grosjean has been shown to be the faster of the two this year. In fact he was faster at a few points last year as well.
Outside of lack of experience, and a few cock ups, Romain has had the pace on Kimi on most of the races this year.
Kimi isn't looking so good as people came, Romain definitely took some shine off him.

Kimi is a better racer, due to experience, but otherwise Romain is the stronger of the two, when it comes to getting the most out of the car. I don't think any other young vs older driver battle has the younger one with the upperhand as much times as the Kimi vs Romain pairing.
Today's triumph by Kimi is harking to the the little old dog tricks Shumi used to play to get ahead of Rosberg.

[marcush.]

I´m amazed how some teams fail to come up with lateral thinking when it comes to their racing strategy and setup of the car to make the strategy work.
RedBull decided to go completely different setuproutes with their two cars and it worked very well for them .Sauber setup their cars for the deciding moments each lap and for nursing the right front and it worked very well for Hulk.
Others seem to be too much obseessed with their own or themselves and prefer to moan about killer traction of competitors and receiving no answer from the pitwall when asking :" ideas anyone how I could overtake him?"
Ferrari and Mercedes have been shown a very long nose by Sauber todays.

[myurr]

Anybody think that a Lewis 2-3 years ago would not have let Grosjean get the better of him and also maybe found a way past Hulkenberg?

Not really. The lack of traction meant that his only hope was to try something under brakes which would have been kamakaze with his rooted tyres.

These tyres don't allow you to attack like he used to either. If you try to you end up just ruining them.

[SectorOne]

Yea you could see he was all over him for 90% of the lap but every time the track opened up the Sauber just took off like a bat out of hell.

[atanatizante]

I'm not a fan of either Kimi or Grosjean but for the record Kimi has been lucky for the second time, coz before the first SC he was at 56 sec. away from Vettel ...