Scuderia Ferrari SF70H

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giantfan10 wrote:
wrcsti wrote:
RandiAndika wrote:
Sounds like they running blown off exhaust gas? is it legal now? :roll:
could just be some sort of antilag. with this years tires more torque coming out of corners can be put to the ground.
NOPE its this " The car is running at a certain speed, let's say 50 mph, the gearbox is in 4th gear, the clutch is engaged. Now you lift your foot off the accelerator. The fuel consumption drops to zero immerdiately. The engine does not need any fuel to keep on revving, because the moving car drives the engine. In this situation you will feel a considerable amount of deceleration. This is called "engine brake". "
try it with your own carand take note of the sound it makes..... : ) semi trucks are banned from doing that within city limits where i live because its even louder than the engine itself while on the gas
No it's not. #-o

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6 of 12 wrote:If I were one of Ferrari's opponents, I would ask myself a very worrying question: For what do Ferrari need these large amounts of air? :shock: The intakes might appear narrow, but they are quite large. Also, they need secondary air intakes on top of the sidepods and the airbox might not be as huge as Mercedes' last year, but is not tiny either...

So what is happening with all the air? Cooling cannot have got this unefficient compared to last year, can it. :?: :?: :?:
I don't think I'd be that worried about it, the larger outer is picking up dirty air from the tyre, much like the Mclaren L-pods did, so they need to be a bit larger there.

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PhillipM wrote:the larger outer is picking up dirty air from the tyre, much like the Mclaren L-pods did, so they need to be a bit larger there.
The outer part is not scavenging air at all, it's just a channel. The radiator/IC intake is much narrower than the outside contour.

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6 of 12 wrote:If I were one of Ferrari's opponents, I would ask myself a very worrying question: For what do Ferrari need these large amounts of air? :shock: The intakes might appear narrow, but they are quite large. Also, they need secondary air intakes on top of the sidepods and the airbox might not be as huge as Mercedes' last year, but is not tiny either...

So what is happening with all the air? Cooling cannot have got this unefficient compared to last year, can it. :?: :?: :?:
Quite possibly because they are not using the engine scoop to provide air for some of the coolers they may need bigger intakes. But it is really hard to tell.

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wuzak wrote:
6 of 12 wrote:If I were one of Ferrari's opponents, I would ask myself a very worrying question: For what do Ferrari need these large amounts of air? :shock: The intakes might appear narrow, but they are quite large. Also, they need secondary air intakes on top of the sidepods and the airbox might not be as huge as Mercedes' last year, but is not tiny either...

So what is happening with all the air? Cooling cannot have got this unefficient compared to last year, can it. :?: :?: :?:
Quite possibly because they are not using the engine scoop to provide air for some of the coolers they may need bigger intakes. But it is really hard to tell.
If i had to make a non-educated guess, based upon what i see visually,
i would say that the amount of air that gets directed towards several parts of the car,
suggests it has focused on downforce and mechanical grip. From what is able to be seen from the videos provided is that the car looks like it is very, but very very stable in both corners as in a straight line, and it seems to take corners really really fast too. I would think that they have aimed for less high top speed and much higher corner speed. It's short lenght compared to the rest of the field makes me believe that it's rediculously stable and doesn't need additional lenght.
it also has an immensely huge rake and the front wing is insanely close to the floor.

i think it is also able to brake later, due to A)being able to corner very fast due to the grip and downforce it has, and B) due to it's stability and shorter frame i think it's able to 'dive' into the corners a lot better with less understeer.

For example, if i look at the Mercs last year, and when there were occasions where Lewis and Nico were batteling in overtaking eachother in corners, you could notice that the despite being in full opposite lock the car was still going rather forward and had lots of understeer. I would think Ferrari is able to take those corners better, and can take it much faster, at the cost of top-end speed.

offcourse this is all nothing but purely theoretical but if i compare for example Mclaren and Williams and perhaps Sauber, then i see cars in launch spec that look like they're very 'basic' or 'clean' and possibly aim at a rather high top speed. Offcourse the Mclaren looks like it will use lots of it's floor, but we'll see about that yet.
If i look at Ferrari, then i see much more attention to 'guiding' and 'directing' air into very specific areas.

I would make a guess and say that the RedBull is going to look a lot like the direction Ferrari is going.

All i can really say is that the Ferrari looks very complete and well-developed, where for example last year's contender looked pale and basic to me. So this is imho a very good sign that they've spent a lot of attention on the car, which quite frankly, was NOT at all what i was expecting.

Mercedes is living up to my expectations, and i think will prove to be a strong contender, their suspension is what looks most interesting to me.

We need the RedBull now to see where the big teams are at.

My feeling suggests this order :

Ferrari
Mercedes
Renault
Mclaren
Williams
Force India
Sauber

based upon what we have seen yet.

And yes, it's still rather a good deal of imagination, i know.

But if you would have asked me last year, it would have been quite like it turned out to be in the end.
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6 of 12 wrote:If I were one of Ferrari's opponents, I would ask myself a very worrying question: For what do Ferrari need these large amounts of air? :shock: The intakes might appear narrow, but they are quite large. Also, they need secondary air intakes on top of the sidepods and the airbox might not be as huge as Mercedes' last year, but is not tiny either...

So what is happening with all the air? Cooling cannot have got this unefficient compared to last year, can it. :?: :?: :?:
I wouldn't say large amounts of air compared to the others. I look on it this way; i could be wrong but just a theory:
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They use similar amounts of air, but the ferrari uses the air in a different way. A ferrari radiator can have the same surface area as a mercedes one; however Ferrari's is wider and shorter for the reason of having the coolest possible air coming in contact with more of that surface area. The wider the area is, the more exposed the area is the incoming air at its coolest temperature.
The longer radiators are better aerodynamically, but i believe that hotter air exhausted from it's upstream surfaces tend to make things warmer, due to convection, for the surfaces further downstream. There will be some amount of reduction in temperature difference and thus heat exchanged.
The ferrari design is more aggressive, possibly more draggy, but the turning vanes in front seem to be mitigating that.
Ferrari can also see some gains in a tighter rear end since the radiator is not as long, and this can result in an aero gain, and a shorter wheelbase, and subsequently a lighter car.
So just my two cents on why i think there is more to the design than to say they need more cooling than anyone else.
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looks like Ferrari and Mclaren sidepods are very alike in size and where they start, but Ferrari needed all those wingleds to beeter divert air where it needs to go.....looks like Honda engine needs less air overall because sidepods inlets are smaller overall, mclaren solution will be alot less draggy.

i could be wrong though.
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Mclaren sidepods are bulkier in the middle though. And that shape they have is not less draggy.
It will give more downforce; It's a very typical redbull signature sidepod design.

I have confidence in this Ferrari. I think they really did their homework for once. The car will perform at the front as it always has; we just need to pray they get the suspension right and drivability.
The cars of the past couple years were too twitchy and hard to drive fast.
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Mclaren always shot their photos from angle, so it looks bulkier but tighter at back. Hard to compare.

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6 of 12 wrote:If I were one of Ferrari's opponents, I would ask myself a very worrying question: For what do Ferrari need these large amounts of air? :shock: The intakes might appear narrow, but they are quite large. Also, they need secondary air intakes on top of the sidepods and the airbox might not be as huge as Mercedes' last year, but is not tiny either...

So what is happening with all the air? Cooling cannot have got this unefficient compared to last year, can it. :?: :?: :?:
They only apear large. They are really no bigger than the mercedes. Look beyond the vanes and the black paint and you see a small sidpod opening. Also the engine air intake is almost as small as Mclarens with cooling moved to the sides.
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Looking at the top entry intakes on the side pods, it looks like they are feeding ducts separate from the main radiator feed. I wonder if these duct air to the intercooler. Perhaps Ferrari have placed the intercooler in the tub in a similar manner to Mercedes. This would also explain why the Haas appears to have similar ducting on top of the side pods.
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Just_a_fan wrote:Looking at the top entry intakes on the side pods, it looks like they are feeding ducts separate from the main radiator feed. I wonder if these duct air to the intercooler. Perhaps Ferrari have placed the intercooler in the tub in a similar manner to Mercedes. This would also explain why the Haas appears to have similar ducting on top of the side pods.
Actually I think the ducts are for oil/water. Note that they use fans to blow into the upped entry when the car is stationary. I think it's not needed to cool the intercooler when the engine is off.

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