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Wesley, you keep saying engine-braking is banned as if we don't all know that, that's twice, go on say it again, and it still won't in any way alter the fact that McLaren call those switches 'engine-braking'.

Which is objectively the correct response to the question posted in this thread, "what does that switch do?"


As to the precise nature of this 'engine-braking' mechanism, that is precisely what people here are trying to guess.

... A task I must say not much helped by your generally abrasive and impolite tone in reply to other posters. How about you try and knock this "lol" crap, and "you are wrong" garbage on the head, especially on specifics where no-one, yourself included, knows anything much for certain.


No-one is saying that "engine-braking" means an old-style ABS/TC active modulation of throttle inputs to prevent locked rear wheels.
The phrase could very well be used to mean controls and systems which prevent the negative consequences of natural "engine-braking" ... in which case you would call such controls, when asked to describe your steering wheel, engine-braking.

It could be selection of off-throttle engine maps, it could be an interesting use of the diff and how it sees the locked state of the rear axles, it could be controls to adjust a slipping clutch mechanism which prevents engine braking.

There is a rotary switch, a toggle switch, and a lever utilised, that gives sufficient scope for speculation.

Either way, the point is, we are now just a bit closer to answering the original query about the switch, "It is to do with engine-braking". If anyone wants to run with that and try to get bonus points for providing entertaining and interesting speculation as to how this operates, they are free to do so, and in a forum like this, that should be encouraged.
"lol", and "you are wrong" do nothing positive to encourage such speculation and discussion. You should be more courteous I think.

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On Autosport ,clear statement by Lowe,they will use a largely std Mp4/25
to start with tyre evaluation witha known base.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88906

Eric Bouillier of GroupLotus Renault suspects they want to hide some "funny" new developments or need more time to produce them.. :roll:

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wesley123 wrote:See there you are wrong, those paddles are for the engine mapping under turning etc. Which gives similar effect as engine braking, but it isn't the same at all. Engine braking was banned together with TC LC and all that back in 2008.

http://www.f1technical.net/development/187
I didn't say it was traditional engine braking, I said what it could be in my other post. But either way there are quite a few things on that wheel that are linked to engine braking as described by Lewis and the Mobil-1 site. So the little switches could be to complement them.

I hope that clears some things up.
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Alot of speculation flying around on the internet that the new McLaren has some radical new feature and didn't know if anyone knew what it would be. I remember reading that it was an area they have exploited with the rear wing and it is said to have a new radical look. Shocked that no pictures get leaked on to the internet before the launch date

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jason.parker.86 wrote:Shocked that no pictures get leaked on to the internet before the launch date
There's still time!
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I remember last year their was a leaked video of the Williams but that looked more like a PR Stunt than anything! I really do believe that McLaren have gone outside of the box this year with regards to design, etc, etc...

I personally believe that their F-Duct last year comprimised their ability to develop the car mid-season and they will have learned from their mistakes... They need to present a blank canvass for the MP4-26 so they can continually develop it until the final race in where ever it is.

Finally- Pirelli tyres I can see throwing a wild card into the equasion. Will Pirelli be developing the tyres mid-season also which would mean an ever more moving bench mark for tyres, or are they not aloud to adjust compounds.

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with news emerging, that the Australian V8SC Team Vodafone is likely to change it´s color scheme, which was very close to the one used by McL over the last 4 years.

http://www.speedcafe.com.au/2011/01/14/ ... on-livery/

I think, the likelyhood of seeing a "black" McL MP4-26 has increased somewhat.
This would fit in with the comments on the new McL collection, made by others here.
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747heavy wrote:with news emerging, that the Australian V8SC Team Vodafone is likely to change it´s color scheme, which was very close to the one used by McL over the last 4 years.

http://www.speedcafe.com.au/2011/01/14/ ... on-livery/

I think, the likelyhood of seeing a "black" McL MP4-26 has increased somewhat.
This would fit in with the comments on the new McL collection, made by others here.
MP4-27 yes, MP4-26 I dont think so.
More could have been done.
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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:MP4-27 yes, MP4-26 I dont think so.
Basing that on any facts, or just your opinion?
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Carbon/Red/Silver is the 2011 colour scheme - i have a feeling in my water.

Carbon would be ace.

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Well, if you think about the black T shirts and so on that Mclaren has put up to sale on their website, red/carbon is the color for 2011...

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forty-two wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:MP4-27 yes, MP4-26 I dont think so.
Basing that on any facts, or just your opinion?
Basing it on the official Mclaren tweet "TheFifthDriver".
"Black livery? Er, no: the same Rocket Red & chrome finish that you've grown to love since Vodafone McLaren Mercedes was born in 2007..."
Hope that helps you.
More could have been done.
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The old torque control somehow pops to mind. Is that actually now banned, btw? Haven't heard from that technology in a long time
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Oh no lets not get back on to the livery topic again. As has been said a few times on here the Mclaren twitter feed has stated no change followed by "thats official by the way!"

Back to the car, my friend at the MTC has caught the odd glimpse. Said the nose is similar to last years, no red bull copying on that front (that was just based on a mould so a bit of guessing involved). The only other bit of interest he could make out was the radiator intakes. He drew them shaped like a L and the reverse for the other side.

Nothing much but at least something to picture instead of the colour scheme!

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is there any possibility that KERS will not be used on some tracks by McLaren?

I know McLaren used KERS all of 2009 but say teams like Red Bull who might struggle with braking instability or weight distribution etc?