2017 F1 general testing thread

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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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vettel trying to overtake Massa, that's the reason of 1.29 at the end of the sim



has anyone the hamilton's sim race lap chart?

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Lewis' US time today is 1m19.352s. Ocon's time today on US is 1m20.161s. Difference on the same tyre is 0.809 seconds.
Lewis' pole time in 2016 Spanish GP was 1m22.000s. The best FI of Perez put a 1m23.782s. Difference was 1.782 seconds.

Taking the times on the face value (ignoring all the blah blah blah parameters), FI has done a fabulous job of out developing the Mercedes by 0.973 second! That too with a quarter of Mercedes' budget! :) :) :) But we all know what the truth is, isn't it?

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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Did anyone suggest this is all Merc can do? I thought it was generally accepted that very low 18s are possible.

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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Small query, does the pit stop times get affected this year due to heavier and bulkier tyres? Need strong mechanics I guess..

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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Would be awesome to hear Bottas comment on the difference between the works car and the FW.

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GPR-A wrote:Lewis' US time today is 1m19.352s. Ocon's time today on US is 1m20.161s. Difference on the same tyre is 0.809 seconds.
Lewis' pole time in 2016 Spanish GP was 1m22.000s. The best FI of Perez put a 1m23.782s. Difference was 1.782 seconds.

Taking the times on the face value (ignoring all the blah blah blah parameters), FI has done a fabulous job of out developing the Mercedes by 0.973 second! That too with a quarter of Mercedes' budget! :) :) :) But we all know what the truth is, isn't it?
Obviously ocon is 1s faster than Perez...

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ferkan wrote:Did anyone suggest this is all Merc can do? I thought it was generally accepted that very low 18s are possible.
I think he may be being a little sarcastic :wink:

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ema00 wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6fMUKcXEAEsRvz.jpg

the last laps vettel was struggling with Massa
Medium tire has no pace at all. It has zero deg, but also zero speed across the board compared to the soft. He's borderline slower in his final stint on the medium with much less fuel than in his 2nd stint on the soft. Makes me wonder why ferrari has spent so much time testing on this tire.

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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Today's results:

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Juzh wrote:
ema00 wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6fMUKcXEAEsRvz.jpg

the last laps vettel was struggling with Massa
Medium tire has no pace at all. It has zero deg, but also zero speed across the board compared to the soft. He's borderline slower in his final stint on the medium with much less fuel than in his 2nd stint on the soft. Makes me wonder why ferrari has spent so much time testing on this tire.
It's pretty obvious they're driving to a set delta across the runs, so we're not seeing a good picture. Without the rapid deg/cliff in the tyres we don't even get that as an indicator, it's going to be a bit of a lottery come Melbourne.

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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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Aha... First noise of unhappiness from Mercedes camp. Bodes well for the season.

Mercedes "not entirely happy" with update progress
Niki Lauda on Motorsports.com wrote:"Personally, I'm not entirely happy," Lauda told RTL on Thursday. "We tested a few updates which didn't work out as we had expected them to. This is why we need to test again, tomorrow, too.

"We have to make further changes in order to understand how the car moves around the circuit in the fastest way possible. I'm sure we can solve these problems til Melbourne."

Lauda said that he remains optimistic for the season ahead, but claimed Mercedes will not have it as easy as in previous years.

The three-time champion reckons Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull are covered by around three tenths of a second at the moment.

"I don't think anybody can say today," he said when asked about favourites. "I think Mercedes is facing a tough year. But we will give our best. I'm optimistic.

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Could it be, that Mercedes was testing a new kind of suspension on the day Hamilton was 'all over the place'?

When any other constructor makes a protest against they're suspension system at 'Melbourne', they should have something behind the back which they understand and can put on?
Everybody is a Ferrari fan.

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Re: 2017 F1 Pre-season testing February 27 - March 2/ March 7-10

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So the Ferrari race pace is in the 24's, that's very impressive, that's the fastest the 2010 cars could manage in the race. Looks like the degradation and fuel effect, and efficiency targets means times stay more or less constant throughout the race.

If his best race sim lap was a 1:23.7, then we can assume the fastest the Ferrari can do with low fuel and medium tires is 1:18.7 as there's about 5 second between fastest race lap and fastest outright lap a car is capable of.
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GPR-A wrote:Aha... First noise of unhappiness from Mercedes camp. Bodes well for the season.

Mercedes "not entirely happy" with update progress
Niki Lauda on Motorsports.com wrote:"Personally, I'm not entirely happy," Lauda told RTL on Thursday. "We tested a few updates which didn't work out as we had expected them to. This is why we need to test again, tomorrow, too.

"We have to make further changes in order to understand how the car moves around the circuit in the fastest way possible. I'm sure we can solve these problems til Melbourne."

Lauda said that he remains optimistic for the season ahead, but claimed Mercedes will not have it as easy as in previous years.

The three-time champion reckons Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull are covered by around three tenths of a second at the moment.

"I don't think anybody can say today," he said when asked about favourites. "I think Mercedes is facing a tough year. But we will give our best. I'm optimistic.

I've got a feeling Hamilton is not happy with the direction the car is going, Bottas' onboard footage yesterday looked like poetry in motion.

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nim_peter wrote:Small query, does the pit stop times get affected this year due to heavier and bulkier tyres? Need strong mechanics I guess..
I've been wondering this too.

Obviously teams practice pit stops a lot anyway and it isn't a huge difference, but some of these mechanics have spent years handling the same size/weight tyre and on race day the pressure is always on to deliver a fast stop.

It will be interesting to see if it has affected any teams/mechanics, or if they've had to adapt/swap people around in any particular way.