COTA Austin - construction and infrastructure

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What do you think of the prospect of a USGP 2012 at Austin Texas

Good thinking. Place has good infra structure and nice climate in winter.
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Not good as it has no motor sport tradition in the US.
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I will wait to see how it will shape up.
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I don't care.
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Total votes: 269

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Cool. 8)

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Latest COTA aerial photo, shot today from a jet departing ABIA & tweeted by @cwerlin.

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Travis County Commissioners are ready to see COTA's Traffic & Emergency Plans.

http://www.statesman.com/news/local/cou ... 81637.html
Saying Formula One race organizers do not have solid plans for road closures, traffic management, emergency services among items related to the November event, the Travis County Commissioners Court unanimously asked Tuesday that those plans be in place by June 1.

County staffers are expected to immediately send a letter to Circuit of the Americas officials, saying that they need to submit a traffic plan, a roadway plan, information for a mass-gathering permit, a public safety plan and a development permit, and send weekly letters citing any issues with the organizers adhering to the county's schedule, County Judge Sam Biscoe said in the commissioners' meeting Tuesday. The county also expects drafts for some of those plans by April 30.
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Travis County Commissioner
Formula One race organizers do not have solid plans for road closures, traffic management, emergency services among items related to the November event.
This is quite a statement coming officially from the County that hosts the race. It shows that Epstein isn't doing his home work. Hellmund had retained Tilke to plan and manage all those items but then we know that Epstein refused to pay Tilke some over due bills.

Has this happened again? We know that the original plans have been much cut and reduced but to cut the work necessary to get or retain the mass-gathering permit appears stupid. IMO it shows once again the mismanagement of Epstein when it comes to the particulars of a huge international motor racing event.
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thearmofbarlow wrote:
Pup wrote:What is there about a race track that would attract retail shopping centers and a "research park". That sounds like pure pie in the sky marketing baloney.
Gee, why would anyone want to do R&D at a race track? #-o

It's not BS. They bring up TMS and that's a perfect example. Roanoke was the middle of no-damn-where. The only thing it was known for was being where Alliance Airport employees worked.

The guy said ten years. It hasn't even been two. Impatience is a form of idiocy.
I’m skeptical that COTA is significant for R&D.

Street vehicles need proving grounds, not racetracks. There are multiple tire-company PG’s in Texas and multiple car-company PG’s in Arizona that lease facilities at reasonable rates. The old Honda PG in California is available to buy outright. I don’t see any particular scarcity of PG facilities for automotive R&D.

If a high-end racing team wants to lap at a road course then there are many good ones for lease in the U.S. The new Austin track could be quite nice, but I don’t see any fundamental thing it offers for testing that’s unavailable elsewhere.

COTA is also far away from existing U.S. automotive and racing hubs (Mooresville, Indy, Detroit, Southern California).

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Saying Formula One race organizers do not have solid plans for road closures, traffic management, emergency services among items related to the November event, the Travis County Commissioners Court unanimously asked Tuesday that those plans be in place by June 1.

County staffers are expected to immediately send a letter to Circuit of the Americas officials, saying that they need to submit a traffic plan, a roadway plan, information for a mass-gathering permit, a public safety plan and a development permit, and send weekly letters citing any issues with the organizers adhering to the county's schedule, County Judge Sam Biscoe said in the commissioners' meeting Tuesday. The county also expects drafts for some of those plans by April 30.
It's almost a case study in biased reporting.

Too bad I guess for the doomsayers that the actual transcript from the meeting is online.

The transcript is linked to below, but to sum up, the commission had people from various county agencies talk to them about progress on access, safety, etc., and all of them were extremely complimentary of CotA and the consultants they've hired to work through the plans. All said that things were progressing on schedule, that they had good relationships with CotA, that they were being very detailed in their planning, and that they would be ready for the race. These are the county officials, not representatives of CotA, saying this - Sheriff's Dept., EMS, Building Dept., Transportation Dept.

The resolution the commission passed was done almost offhandedly, as documentation of the dates already agreed to. (Or more likely just the commission's need to have a resolution.)

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So, apart from that, there were some really interesting details that came out of the meeting:

• CotA has an unannounced event planned prior to the F1 race. Another race of some sort, but the details and date aren't yet public.

• There are 14 more buildings in addition to the ones under construction that are under permit review right now.

• CotA was just given approval for Phase 6 of the project - Phase 7 is supposed to include the traffic and safety plans.

• The proposed plan calls to extend Kellam Road to Pierce in addition to widening Elroy.


Here's the transcript, if anyone is interested...

http://www.co.travis.tx.us/commissioner ... 403_25.asp

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CotA has also posted some new aerials, which look a bit older than the one below...

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Formwork, reinforcement, stairs and drywall are all the focus on the pit building. The façade insulation and continued rooftop installation are the latest in media center progression. The medical center has progressed significantly as well, with steel and wood framework installations allowing the building to really take shape. One of the most recent structures, the permanent grandstand, is going up quickly across from the pit building. These seats will have one of the best views on the track come race day!

In addition to the buildings, the track is progressing quickly as well. Grading and compaction work continue on the track and surface treatment is being laid between Turns 19 and 20 where cars are expected to reach speeds of up to 155 miles per hour!
I'm surprised that they're doing drywall already. In residential work, we don't do that until after the house is fully dried in. Though they may already be glazing some of the sections - it's hard to tell. They're certainly doing something around the west side of the building, since it's fully scaffolded.

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Pup, despite the pleasantries that were exchanged the bones of the transcript are properly reported. To all questions the representatives of CotA are saying that they had meetings which went very well but on the question of the outstanding planning documents or drafts of those documents they had to admit several times that they are not ready.
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Thanks Pup
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That last photo shows an amazing amount of work. They have a lot left to do, but looking at the amount of land they've already cleared and the work they've already completed shows a massive uphill battle they're going through. I'm amazed they are as far along as they are, that's a lot of work to be done no matter what the timeframe of the project is. I sincerely hope they pull through because I'm itching to know if the race will be held so I can get tickets and plan out my trip to Texas. I refuse to be treated like a convict in an airport so I'll have to drive, I'm anxiously waiting news on whether they'll be ready and find out what the prices are and how to plan my trip out. Amazing shots Pup, thanks for linking them.

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WhiteBlue wrote:...on the question of the outstanding planning documents or drafts of those documents they had to admit several times that they are not ready.
Nor were they required, or asked to be. They want to hold the public hearing in mid-July, so they'd like to get the plan submitted by the first of June.

The gist is that the officials who are working with CotA seem perfectly pleased with both the progress and their relationship. That's plain as day to anyone who bothers to read the transcript, so you're going to have to roll up your sleeves if you want to spin this one.

But as always, I look forward to reading that attempt. :roll:

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They were asked several times if they had documents and had to answer, No. I'm surprised that you deny that! It appears you are doing the spin doctering here.
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I don't deny that. Why should I?

Sure they asked. And sure the answer was no. Because they don't need to be ready, and had never been asked to be ready. The commission wanted an update, and that's what they got, along with a lot of comments from those working with CotA about how well the process and progress were going. The commission asked when things needed to be in place. The answer was June, so they set a date for June.

Have you ever presented anything to a local commission? I do it all the time - they consist almost exclusively of little Napoleons who want to say that they make things happen, when really the only thing they do is issue orders to do things that are already being done. Such seems to be the case here.

I'm encouraging anyone who's interested to read the transcript and make up their own mind. Is that spin?

Well, it's not - what I'm doing is putting a stop to the spin you've already tried to put in motion. I'm sure you'd rather people not read that transcript, and just listen to your portrayal. I'd prefer that they do, and realize in the process just how dishonest you're being.

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I always prefer people to read the sources and form an opinion of their own. One doesn't have to come to the same conclusions. And I regard it as bad habit to disqualify opposing opinion as spin. You first wrote about spin. I let the readers take their own conclusions from that.
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WhiteBlue wrote:I always prefer people to read the sources and form an opinion of their own.
Glad to hear it.

Just to nip this in the bud...
The target date was may 2012 for doing the roadway agreement.
That's from the county transportation guy. It's sort of hard to argue that CotA is behind in preparing their plans when the target date for the draft proposal is a month away still.

Isn't it?
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