2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[SB15]

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The Ferrari has quickly gone from being unripe to misunderstood, but technically it has the efficiency of a great car, it would be a shame to waste it. Understanding can do a lot, but time is running out. The next two races are decisive. Contrary to popular belief, Suzuka may not be worse than China, before returning to Bahrain where the introduction of a new floor is expected. The first package could indirectly widen the range of heights, but it was not designed to solve a specific problem. The SF-25 has excellent aerodynamic efficiency, but its weakness was found in the stiffness of the rear axle. This doesn't mean that much more can't be done with the set-up. It's a path that requires kilometers of exploration. The more rigid and harder compounds can help, just as the higher pressures didn't hurt in the Sprint race won in Shanghai.

So a new floor is pretty much confirmed for Bahrain. The report that they'd bring it to Suzuka made no sense, I'm glad we got early confirmation about Bahrain.

In Suzuka I predict they'll use the FPs to try out all sorts of things, ending up near the bottom of the times and creating mass panic here

Jeez on he Italian forums all i heard pre-season was "Charles stole Carlos best engineers, as Ferrari introduce more newbies into the race team[lewis garage]" leaving lewis with newbies and inexperienced race engineers. It doesn;t matter all things are driven by data so i dont think it make much difference. Lets not speculate on who has better side of the garage.

All things are driven by data... and the data says that Leclerc's garage is less competent. This isn't speculation, this is a fact if you review the mechanical problems Sainz and Leclerc had respectively during their time together.

I said this last week, don't expect Ferrari to do wonders this race or how all the TeamLH pundits on twitter is trying to hype themselves saying "The season start in Japan" or anything. So, expect them to use Suzuka as a test session for most part.

But Fred Vasseur's comments about taking nothing risks during the season even if it involves multiple DSQ, is a big worry and I'm not even a supporter for this team. Why I'm worried, is because it's a complete departure from last seasons mindset, the SF-24 was like the now W16. Where each team (Ferrari last year and now Mercedes this year) decided to not take risks.

[Fakepivot]

Fred has been saying in many interviews in the past that he is pushing the team to take more risks. we kind of see that since 2023 honestly..

[catent]

Fred has been saying in many interviews in the past that he is pushing the team to take more risks. we kind of see that since 2023 honestly..

Came here to say the exact same thing.

SB15 should’ve stopped themselves after saying “and I’m not even a supporter for this team”. Yes, and it shows in your lack of specific, detailed knowledge about the team.

FV has been talking about the need to take calculated, manageable, intelligent risks for multiple seasons now. Him continuing to emphasize this is in no way a departure from his approach to the SF-24 or previous seasons generally.

SB15 also makes a lot of (seemingly) unsourced, unsupported claims about McLaren’s, Newey’s technical thought process, which seem to be personal guesses rather than actual facts.

[Vanja #66]

Your hate against Newey is incomprehensible.

What gives you the right to accuse me of hating anyone or anything, let alone hating an F1 engineer I deeply admire???

[SB15]

Fred has been saying in many interviews in the past that he is pushing the team to take more risks. we kind of see that since 2023 honestly..

Came here to say the exact same thing.

SB15 should’ve stopped themselves after saying “and I’m not even a supporter for this team”. Yes, and it shows in your lack of specific, detailed knowledge about the team.

FV has been talking about the need to take calculated, manageable, intelligent risks for multiple seasons now. Him continuing to emphasize this is in no way a departure from his approach to the SF-24 or previous seasons generally.

SB15 also makes a lot of (seemingly) unsourced, unsupported claims about McLaren’s, Newey’s technical thought process, which seem to be personal guesses rather than actual facts.

This is Formula 1, you don’t need to be a supporter of any team to admit if something is maybe or maybe not going to happen. Of course, am I really going to throw Ferrari under the bus because I hate them vs other teams? No. Because what does showing bias solve even if it wasn’t personal feelings? Nothing.

Also, this is forum where you are free to have discussion on the topics about anyone particular team. I don’t like to lie, never been my M.O and yes maybe I should dial down my “personal opinions”, but I don’t know what’s new about that because for example; this particular thread with 100+ posts we’re literally boasting with excitement this entire off-season since the Lewis Hamilton announcement which is understandable. However, I knew its best to never put your expectations way too high since you’ll inevitably get disappointment.

I simply seen an article about what Vasseur said, I was very surprised that a team principle would say that (Taking Risks) after the high expectation from everyone, except for a few people, wanted to see this season. No supporter, no fan, no journalist should ever dismiss that because you never see Christian Horner or Andrea Stella ever make such comments considering this is top team and you know the risks that are also involved. Toto Wolff, would’ve been on the hot seat immediately if he ever said that Mercedes would do something so egregious.
Anyways that’s Ferrari.

About McLaren, what about McLaren? I have no beef with McLaren, since they were no where in 2015-2018 look they suffered enough and their success I love to see. And I don’t remember where I mentioned Newey in all of this, but if I did, It would be about Max making a decision to go to Aston Martin

You called me out which is fine to do. But, this is the internet and if you don’t like what I say, hey that’s okay, that’s your opinion and we shouldn’t like what anyone says. All I know is, I’m going to discuss freely whatever is on my mind depending on the topics at hand.

[f1316]

And also, because I have seen it brought up often, McLaren last year is not a comparable situation. They had no real "issues" with the launch-spec car, other than it being months behind in development. They couldn't meet their deadlines, so the car that they intended to start the season with, could only make it in Miami.

If McLaren had also faced some sort of underlying problem with their car last year, I am sure they would have struggled to find a solution quickly too, even with all their fancy new facilities and hires.

Well this is the entire problem. Mclaren do not have issues. They've got a car with the highest performance ceiling and crucially with these cars - by far the widest operating window. They're simply gonna be good in almost all situations with no real concerning weaknesses. That's a high bar, yet the bar Ferrari needs to get to if they want to fight for the title, all in a season where teams wont be able to justify developing the 2025 car for too long, and where Mclaren are likely to pocket a very handy lead before Ferrari even has the opportunity to try and correct any issues.

I think it's just a realistic take that any title hopes at this point are super slim. The turnaround they need is substantial and it needs to happen quite soon. They were never gonna be able to afford having the 2025 car have problems like this. The hope was always that they'd have successfully learned from 2024 and taken a step forward in all the areas they needed to. This has not happened. Certainly there's improvements in some areas, but such a narrow operating window causing constant problems is a really bad problem to have.

Talking about the title right now is borderline far-fetched.
Ferrari needs to fix the car to even be 2nd fastest. Right now, overall, they are 4th fastest.

I don’t think the data bears that out. Leclerc had better race pace than Russell with a broken fw and fell back after running most of the race in dirty air. In China at least, I think Ferrari was quite clearly the second fastest car. That doesn’t discount the fact that I also think talk of titles is far fetched at the moment and more fundamental improvements will be needed before you can even start to think in those terms.

[ScuderiaLeo]

According to FUnAT, the team is trying to push something smaller for Suzuka:

Ferrari initially planned to introduce its first upgrade package in Bahrain, the fourth round of the 2024 championship. However, to address the aforementioned issues, the team led by Loïc Serra is now trying to bring an update to Suzuka as well. Specifically, they are focusing on the car’s floor—a crucial component for managing aerodynamic load.

According to our sources, the team is still working hard to make this happen, but it’s a challenging task. It’s important to remember that F1 has procedures that cannot be rushed, as the risk of making an error and creating a misleading upgrade is always present.

The deadline to decide this is tomorrow. If they do bring an adjusted floor to Suzuka, it will likely only be for one car.

Maybe they changed the diffuser area? (This is also suggested in the article.)

* Take this lightly since there's no AR comment yet. I'm just posting for discussion.

[Luscion]

According to FUnAT, the team is trying to push something smaller for Suzuka:

Ferrari initially planned to introduce its first upgrade package in Bahrain, the fourth round of the 2024 championship. However, to address the aforementioned issues, the team led by Loïc Serra is now trying to bring an update to Suzuka as well. Specifically, they are focusing on the car’s floor—a crucial component for managing aerodynamic load.

According to our sources, the team is still working hard to make this happen, but it’s a challenging task. It’s important to remember that F1 has procedures that cannot be rushed, as the risk of making an error and creating a misleading upgrade is always present.

The deadline to decide this is tomorrow. If they do bring an adjusted floor to Suzuka, it will likely only be for one car.

Maybe they changed the diffuser area? (This is also suggested in the article.)

* Take this lightly since there's no AR comment yet. I'm just posting for discussion.

Having it be an issue with the floor rather than the suspension itself would be better for Ferrari and if there's truth to this and theyre rushing to introduce it this week, seems like they think they've found a fix. but like you said taking it with a grain of salt until its confirmed by other reliable sources

[Xyz22]

Well this is the entire problem. Mclaren do not have issues. They've got a car with the highest performance ceiling and crucially with these cars - by far the widest operating window. They're simply gonna be good in almost all situations with no real concerning weaknesses. That's a high bar, yet the bar Ferrari needs to get to if they want to fight for the title, all in a season where teams wont be able to justify developing the 2025 car for too long, and where Mclaren are likely to pocket a very handy lead before Ferrari even has the opportunity to try and correct any issues.

I think it's just a realistic take that any title hopes at this point are super slim. The turnaround they need is substantial and it needs to happen quite soon. They were never gonna be able to afford having the 2025 car have problems like this. The hope was always that they'd have successfully learned from 2024 and taken a step forward in all the areas they needed to. This has not happened. Certainly there's improvements in some areas, but such a narrow operating window causing constant problems is a really bad problem to have.

Talking about the title right now is borderline far-fetched.
Ferrari needs to fix the car to even be 2nd fastest. Right now, overall, they are 4th fastest.

I don’t think the data bears that out. Leclerc had better race pace than Russell with a broken fw and fell back after running most of the race in dirty air. In China at least, I think Ferrari was quite clearly the second fastest car. That doesn’t discount the fact that I also think talk of titles is far fetched at the moment and more fundamental improvements will be needed before you can even start to think in those terms.

It doesn't matter if they start P5 and P6.
Overall Ferrari has been 4th fastest and with a double DSQ.

Let's suppose Leclerc finish P3 in the 3 upcoming races which has never been even close to it for now.
Another realistic scenario is Norris finishing P1 in 2 of the next 3 races.

Leclerc would be at 54 pts
Norris would be at 112 pts

Ferrari would need to find massive amount of performance after these races to fight for the championship.

Also it doesn't make any sense to compare 2024 and 2025 season (which is something i've seen online). RB was running with only one driver and they lost out of nowhere 1s compared to another team, which is something we have seen only in outlier years with teams that were cheating or without any money left (es. Brawn in 2009).
McL won't lose that amount of performance and they have two competitive drivers.

[Emag]

It doesn't matter if they start P5 and P6.
Overall Ferrari has been 4th fastest and with a double DSQ.

Let's suppose Leclerc finish P3 in the 3 upcoming races which has never been even close to it for now.
Another realistic scenario is Norris finishing P1 in 2 of the next 3 races.

Leclerc would be at 54 pts
Norris would be at 112 pts

Ferrari would need to find massive amount of performance after these races to fight for the championship.

Also it doesn't make any sense to compare 2024 and 2025 season (which is something i've seen online). RB was running with only one driver and they lost out of nowhere 1s compared to another team, which is something we have seen only in outlier years with teams that were cheating or without any money left (es. Brawn in 2009).
McL won't lose that amount of performance and they have two competitive drivers.

Speculation aside, since we have nothing confirmed, RedBull's sudden drop off in Miami last year is one of the weirdest things about 2024 for me. Made a couple of posts about the inexplicable drop last year too. Just looking at the gaps and performance advantage of RedBull before Miami, it's just too hard to believe that all of that was bridged with a single upgrade by McLaren. Factor in other teams as well, which all got closer to RedBull in Miami even without bringing any upgrades, it just didn't make sense. Ferrari went from being no match to RedBull (with the exception of Australia which is an unrepresentative data point with Max retiring early), to suddenly being on pace with Max at Miami last year.

The upcoming races will give us a clue (if they are dry). We can look into year-on-year improvements for each team, establish a baseline and then check Miami (or Imola would probably be the better reference) to see if other teams really just caught up to RedBull at Miami for some reason, or did RedBull suffer a weird drop off in performance that they never recovered from.

[ringo]

Steering Wheel differences between Lewis and Charles. Edit: Mercedes and Ferrari by extension.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-f ... /10708673/

A good read till Friday free practice.

[DJ Downforce]

I dreamed about the start at Suzuka the other night...

Hamilton locked up and went straight on, leclerc took the lead but then lost grip and spun. Vasseur finally cracked and was bashing his hands on the pit wall.

So I hope it goes a bit better than that

[Fakepivot]

I dreamed about the start at Suzuka the other night...

Hamilton locked up and went straight on, leclerc took the lead but then lost grip and spun. Vasseur finally cracked and was bashing his hands on the pit wall.

So I hope it goes a bit better than that

it can't be worse than last week right? then they surprise us always

[dia6olo]

Well this is the entire problem. Mclaren do not have issues. They've got a car with the highest performance ceiling and crucially with these cars - by far the widest operating window. They're simply gonna be good in almost all situations with no real concerning weaknesses. That's a high bar, yet the bar Ferrari needs to get to if they want to fight for the title, all in a season where teams wont be able to justify developing the 2025 car for too long, and where Mclaren are likely to pocket a very handy lead before Ferrari even has the opportunity to try and correct any issues.

I think it's just a realistic take that any title hopes at this point are super slim. The turnaround they need is substantial and it needs to happen quite soon. They were never gonna be able to afford having the 2025 car have problems like this. The hope was always that they'd have successfully learned from 2024 and taken a step forward in all the areas they needed to. This has not happened. Certainly there's improvements in some areas, but such a narrow operating window causing constant problems is a really bad problem to have.

Talking about the title right now is borderline far-fetched.
Ferrari needs to fix the car to even be 2nd fastest. Right now, overall, they are 4th fastest.

I don’t think the data bears that out. Leclerc had better race pace than Russell with a broken fw and fell back after running most of the race in dirty air. In China at least, I think Ferrari was quite clearly the second fastest car. That doesn’t discount the fact that I also think talk of titles is far fetched at the moment and more fundamental improvements will be needed before you can even start to think in those terms.

I fully agree with this, I think that while one can argue based on the opening 2 weekends Ferrari are 4th best, Results alone do not always tell the real story. In my opinion, I also think that Ferrari are considerably better than 4th best and arguably 2nd best, at least based on the China weekend...

[deadhead]

Steering Wheel differences between Lewis and Charles. Edit: Mercedes and Ferrari by extension.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-f ... /10708673/

A good read till Friday free practice.

I always forget that all teams must employ some pretty capable software engineers on top of everything else. The steering wheel software must be pretty “close to the metal” , kind of like a firmware? So car 44 is likely running a different version, unless they can just update the UX.

Thanks for sharing