2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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If they've overall gearing on RB that can't quite sustain 8th (or at least marginal in that it sits right at the bottom of peak torque curve) then with following a car or DRS it will just have more upside in rpm ceiling to give ultimate speed under those conditions.

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Willy wrote:
13 Jul 2023, 16:48
Big Tea wrote:
13 Jul 2023, 16:33
PlatinumZealot wrote:
13 Jul 2023, 13:30


The sparring teams point is moot, let's face it, we wont have that in the rest of this era, so to save the show, a competitive driver will have to partner Max.
To me, I can not see any of the 'top' drivers going to RBR as long as Max is there. It may not be correct, but I think everyone sees it as a one driver team and the other would be fighting 19 cars and a garage full of managers.

This seems to be the style of the team since way back when Webber said not bad for a number two driver, not a poke at Max.
There are no two WDC titles awarded for a team in a year isn't it? So a team can optimize itself to try to win what's on offer in the easiest way possible, a WDC and a WCC. In their scheme of things, fancy thoughts of audience emotions probably doesn't figure. So why take headache for something that doesn't exist and create tension? No. 1 and No. 2 are always the best thing for a team regardless of which team it is.
Which is not going to attract a 'second' driver. As long as all are happy with that, fine, a title is a title, but other drivers will know this and avoid it. Not saying it is wrong, it just is what it is, winning is what they are there for.
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Lap 24 Max changed some strat modes so could be worth looking at laps prior and afterwards.

Most likely its just to keep things turned down and running a bit cooler and more efficient
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
13 Jul 2023, 19:23
Lap 24 Max changed some strat modes so could be worth looking at laps prior and afterwards.

Most likely its just to keep things turned down and running a bit cooler and more efficient
Save fuel for any late(r) race SC situations.

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Sieper wrote:
13 Jul 2023, 19:58
chrisc90 wrote:
13 Jul 2023, 19:23
Lap 24 Max changed some strat modes so could be worth looking at laps prior and afterwards.

Most likely its just to keep things turned down and running a bit cooler and more efficient
Save fuel for any late(r) race SC situations.
Or is he not using 8th to protect the gearbox/engine? Max is already on his 4th gearbox and early in the season they had issues at high speed (vibrations?).

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Cassius wrote:
14 Jul 2023, 11:09
Sieper wrote:
13 Jul 2023, 19:58
chrisc90 wrote:
13 Jul 2023, 19:23
Lap 24 Max changed some strat modes so could be worth looking at laps prior and afterwards.

Most likely its just to keep things turned down and running a bit cooler and more efficient
Save fuel for any late(r) race SC situations.
Or is he not using 8th to protect the gearbox/engine? Max is already on his 4th gearbox and early in the season they had issues at high speed (vibrations?).
All 4 of his gearboxes are still in the pool and usable. They are just spreading mileage over the 4, nothing to do with reliability.

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Wouter
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From Monday till Wednesday Max was on circuit Mugello for testing his new GT3 cars of his own team Verstappen.com Racing.
6 pictures and below his manager tells more about it.



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Wouter wrote:
14 Jul 2023, 20:05
From Monday till Wednesday Max was on circuit Mugello for testing his new GT3 cars of his own team Verstappen.com Racing.
6 pictures and below his manager tells more about it.



https://imgur.com/LmFt6CX.jpg
I hear they are looking for an 11th F1 team :wink:
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Max will go places, Imagine if he brought a F1 team in. Never happen but he does seem to like the GT racing stuff a lot.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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marcel171281 wrote:
14 Jul 2023, 11:46
Cassius wrote:
14 Jul 2023, 11:09
Sieper wrote:
13 Jul 2023, 19:58


Save fuel for any late(r) race SC situations.
Or is he not using 8th to protect the gearbox/engine? Max is already on his 4th gearbox and early in the season they had issues at high speed (vibrations?).
All 4 of his gearboxes are still in the pool and usable. They are just spreading mileage over the 4, nothing to do with reliability.
Last year he took his 3rd during race 11 (Austria). This year already his 4th during race 11 (Silverstone). There might be nothing here, but it is definitely different from last year where Max also had to incur a gearbox penalty at some point during the season.

If a different deployment is faster then why would Perez not use the same shift strategy?

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Cassius wrote:
14 Jul 2023, 21:36
marcel171281 wrote:
14 Jul 2023, 11:46
Cassius wrote:
14 Jul 2023, 11:09


Or is he not using 8th to protect the gearbox/engine? Max is already on his 4th gearbox and early in the season they had issues at high speed (vibrations?).
All 4 of his gearboxes are still in the pool and usable. They are just spreading mileage over the 4, nothing to do with reliability.
Last year he took his 3rd during race 11 (Austria). This year already his 4th during race 11 (Silverstone). There might be nothing here, but it is definitely different from last year where Max also had to incur a gearbox penalty at some point during the season.

If a different deployment is faster then why would Perez not use the same shift strategy?
Perez has been starting arrears so would likely be using higher modes to overtake
A lion must kill its prey.

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ringo
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I just :) reading some posts.
I used to say highlight reels tell the truth. And I think it applies today. As actually watching the races dispels a lot of the misconceptions. Many new fans have not seen some epic races of the past and relished the challenge of a difficult, though dominant car, or not having #1 status, and actually having a teammate who is free to race and even sabotage your race. Greatness is what people remember, the stuff on the track that sticks in their minds, it's not so much about the statistics or the records. Running away in the fastest car with no challenge, no adversity will not be remember, no matter how many wins or far ahead up the road the driver is.

Anyhow, I think redbull is in a unique position to get an even weaker driver than Perez. They only need Max on his own to win both championships. He is a racing machine at the moment and will execute the races from pole quite easily. They are under no risk to sack Perez and replace him with even Tsunoda or Hamilton or Norris or even go for a journey man Stroll or Sargent ( America and ford connection). It wont be entertaining to watch however.

After 4 championships its possible redbull will create drama by bringing in a faster driver than Max, harking back to Vettel vs Ricciardo.
For Sure!!

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Sieper
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That driver will then at most be almost 2 years old. Some people objected to a 17 year old.

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Wouter
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An interview with Max on Talk Sport last week before Silverstone.

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Perez today in Madrid where he lives during the European races.







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