2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:07
You ask Max fans, RB20 is a PoS car and Max is adding about a second a lap over what the car is capable of. Amazing :lol:

Like last season and having the most dominant car ever never happened and the car now isn't a lot quicker than that very same most dominant car ever :lol:
But only you are peddling weird hyperbolic narratives about this "PoS car". I think most people just have a sober outlook and we can recognize that the performance picture has shifted, other teams have caught up. As such expectations change and more importance will be placed on the driver.

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Max got pole and won with the car that was at best equal fastest, and only became that in Q3 so he didn't have a lot of experience with it on the limit.

Amazing results considering how poorly the weekend began. Starting weekends with the correct setup is crucial now due to how close everything is.

I think Imola also shows how important track position is now

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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:07


Like last season and having the most dominant car ever never happened and the car now isn't a lot quicker than that very same most dominant car ever :lol:
Max brings another 0.4-0.5s extra, over the race. As Alonso did in his best years. :)

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AR3-GP wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:02
Vettel165 wrote:
19 May 2024, 16:57
Wow what a win by Max, didnt see that coming after FP3. Lando and Charles were also amazing. I have to say Red Bull in Max hands were the fastest car on medium tyres. This was the tyre which they focused on in practice with race simulation. It was a big mistake that they didnt also try the hard tyre more, as they would have more infomation. As in the end of the last stint Norris was faster, Red Bull was sliding around. I am thinking if Verstappen didnt make a tactical pull back and save the tyres when the gap went from +7 to +2s he would have lost the race. Red Bull in-season development is usually spot on in the second part of the season. But we will see.
Mclaren finished 4th in the WCC last year. They have much more windtunnel and CFD hours.
7. **McLaren** – (85% – 1020 hours / 34 weekly sessions)
8. **Ferrari** – (80% – 960 hours / 32 weekly sessions)
9. **Mercedes** – (75% – 900 hours / 30 weekly sessions)
10. **Red Bull** – (70% – 840 hours / 28 weekly sessions)
I think it's the first time ATR kicks in and a lower WCC position turns into an advantage in terms of development.

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Vettel165 wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:20
Max brings another 0.4-0.5s extra, over the race. As Alonso did in his best years. :)
Right, secret driver magic that breaks the laws of physics and limits of the car, engine and tyres is a well known thing :)
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:07
You ask Max fans, RB20 is a PoS car and Max is adding about a second a lap over what the car is capable of. Amazing :lol:

Like last season and having the most dominant car ever never happened and the car now isn't a lot quicker than that very same most dominant car ever :lol:
That's bait... :D

Come on Vanja, let us enjoy this one... It was close near the end.
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Hopefully the RB20 wouldn't get any faster for the rest of the season. =D>

We need to see good battles and the best driver prevailing. Max had had fun time so far and now it's time for him to show his skills, like this weekend. For me, Max winning wouldn't be a problem so long as there is intense competition. Hope Mercedes can add a step like McLaren has done, along with Ferrari. That would be lovely.

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Max's win % is now higher than Hamilton's and the highest of any driver in the modern era. 3,25 years was all it took to rise to the top.

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Cs98 wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:17
Vanja #66 wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:07
You ask Max fans, RB20 is a PoS car and Max is adding about a second a lap over what the car is capable of. Amazing :lol:

Like last season and having the most dominant car ever never happened and the car now isn't a lot quicker than that very same most dominant car ever :lol:
But only you are peddling weird hyperbolic narratives about this "PoS car". I think most people just have a sober outlook and we can recognize that the performance picture has shifted, other teams have caught up. As such expectations change and more importance will be placed on the driver.
It is super annoying to constantly have to read his emotional hyperbole. Blah. And then use that to accuse others of making those statements when it indeed is just him. But, at least the rest of us still post about what is actually going on. Very impressive win by Max and let’s see over the coming races (not Monaco as that is Monaco) what the season will develop towards.
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Silent Storm wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:24
That's bait... :D

Come on Vanja, let us enjoy this one... It was close near the end.
Sorry mate, just reacting to what I read. Even before the 2024 season began people were writing nonsense about Red Bulls chances and how this will be a different season from 2023 and others will be stronger etc.

Red Bull, with Horner at the helm, are the best team on the grid. Period. Since 2009 they always had at least (joint) 2nd best chassis on the grid and only Renault PU limited their capabilities after 2013. That kind of team is literally not capable of allowing others to overtake them in development and at the moment obviously no one has. McLaren may be close after Miami, but they haven't cracked RB20.

Just because RB is smart to have Checco and be able to focus on Max and his chances, does not mean Max is doing some special magic job with the car and pushing it over what the car is capable of. Checco is simply not a Tier 1 driver by any measure
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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But Max is. You are only here to talk down on him at take away from that. You can also give it a rest every once in a while.

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If I were Horner, I would give Carlos the seat immediately. He's the best remaining option. He's a better driver than Perez. With a 95-97% McLaren and Ferrari of the Redbull; Oscar, Norris, Charles and Carlos are faster than Perez. Add Russel, Lewis and Alonso on a good day. Adding Carlos immediately would only be a loss to Checo and a financial hit if they had to payout the contracts of both. Plus it puts Ferrari in a limbo on whom to replace him with for the season.

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Cs98 wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:41
Max's win % is now higher than Hamilton's and the highest of any driver in the modern era. 3,25 years was all it took to rise to the top.
It's incredible! But does those numbers really mean something? At some point, Max won't have a dominant car or even a car on par with the other leading car(s) and his numbers would go down like they have for Lewis in the last 3 years, unless he retires instead of driving such cars. Reliability of the cars while being dominant and longer seasons is the primary reason for such quick rise in numbers. To his credit, he has shown stellar consistency of making good use of the equipment. There will always be someone that breaks those records.

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Sieper wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:44
Cs98 wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:17
Vanja #66 wrote:
19 May 2024, 17:07
You ask Max fans, RB20 is a PoS car and Max is adding about a second a lap over what the car is capable of. Amazing :lol:

Like last season and having the most dominant car ever never happened and the car now isn't a lot quicker than that very same most dominant car ever :lol:
But only you are peddling weird hyperbolic narratives about this "PoS car". I think most people just have a sober outlook and we can recognize that the performance picture has shifted, other teams have caught up. As such expectations change and more importance will be placed on the driver.
It is super annoying to constantly have to read his emotional hyperbole. Blah. And then use that to accuse others of making those statements when it indeed is just him. But, at least the rest of us still post about what is actually going on. Very impressive win by Max and let’s see over the coming races (not Monaco as that is Monaco) what the season will develop towards.
Meh, it's just years of letdowns and inadequacy from another team which leads to frustration that spills over into other threads. And it becomes particularly evident on a weekend like this one, where the win was there for the taking on performance but still the same guy comes up with the goods as he does.

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Still the fastest car on mediums today.

The base is just in another planet compared to the competition.