2014 Monaco Grand Prix

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thedutchguy wrote:
George-Jung wrote:Last but not least, Vettel was also running the super-soft tyre.. which was a lot softer than they are now.
Also it was very sunny, so better track-temp.. etc etc..
I know it's not an apples-to-apples comparison and they will probably be round 2 seconds faster tomorrow (difference between FP1 and pole time in Spain 2 weeks ago was 1.8 secs). About the tyres: they are part of the whole package and thereby of the speed potential of the cars.
Yeah, but I took his point to be that Vettel was on the option, Hamilton the prime. That alone will probably subtract a second from Hamilton's time.

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Juzh wrote:Good effort but fp1 and q3 really can't be compared.
Here we go again #-o . 1. So what? 2. Cue GP2 fake comparison with slowest to fastest cars 3. Nothing can be compared, this time it's 2011. Heavier cars, less developed aerodynamically, no blown diffuser, tyres making a big difference. BTW weren't 2011 soft Pirellis completely "evil" not to mention DRS? Another example of unhealthy pick and choose attitude when it comes to bashing any current F1 and any golden age from the past.

The good thing about the past is you can pick whatever you want ignoring everything else. It leads to schizophrenic claims, my favourite is about driving standards. Depending on a situation it was either pushing each other into walls three times per lap and not caring about it. [Berger's fairy-tales after Schumacher's move on Barrichello] Unlike today's weak drivers complaining about safety. On the other hand everyone in the past was a gentleman driver in the mould of Villeneuve - Arnoux, leaving enough space etc. - unlike today's menace to society thugs, pushing people into walls I guess?

Yes, tyres are a bit of a problem and if driving is difficult or risky you can get opposite reaction: instead of driver making a difference everyone may be taking it easy. Looks like only Alonso is in the first category.

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HAmilton in that Video was clearly not on a "100%" lap, he was far from the barriers, taking it relatively safely - which is fair enough during Practice at Monaco!

I am becoming less bothered about lap times, they look fast, but crucially they look BETTER, as they are sliding around and more of a visual spectacle. Vettel was on a very veyr good lap, and Hamilton wasnt. I can see there being a substantial difference in laptimes, but some more interesting racing.

Overtaking maybe more forthcoming as cars brake for the Chicane after the Tunnel, with less downforce and more power.

Either way, going to be great to watch these things around Monaco

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They're still lapping faster than Schumacher in 2000.
http://www.motorsportsetc.com/info/spd_mon.htm

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Anyone watching GP2??? :D

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Yeah, classic GP2 mess :D

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twoshots wrote:They're still lapping faster than Schumacher in 2000.
http://www.motorsportsetc.com/info/spd_mon.htm
The track was different (longer) though, right?

Still, I'd suggest they'll be in the same bracket as 2003/2007/2008 this year, or not that far off, and considering many people think these cars were much better than we have now (and they had V10s in 2003!) that's not too shabby if you ask me.

And yes, I think they'll get close to 3 seconds on Hamilton's Q1 time. Alonso on the super softs was almost as fast on a drying track in Q2.

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Bomber_Pilot wrote:Anyone watching GP2??? :D
I am now 8)
Supporting: Ham/Alo/Kimi/Ros/Seb/Hulk/Ric/Mag

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Emerson.F wrote:
Bomber_Pilot wrote:Anyone watching GP2??? :D
I am now 8)
What a race! Palmer now hit his old tire while taking off from the pit stop and knocked it into the pit lane!

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That video comparison is rubbish !!!

The difference in lap times is around 4.7 seconds, but if you time the pauses on your video they add up to approximately 10 seconds, double the actual difference, so either one video has been sped up or slowed down to make the difference look more.

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I don't think that is Hamiltons fastest time from FP1. It looks utterly pedestrian compared to how they looked during FP2 and they were going slower then.
Felipe Baby!

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Video got tagged on Youtube with a copyright claim, sorry. :(

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Has the weather forecast for Sunday changed? Maybe we could have some rain.

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thedutchguy wrote:Video got tagged on Youtube with a copyright claim, sorry. :(
That was fast lol. Use google docs. You do get less exposure but also No FOM bs.
Just_a_fan wrote: I don't doubt that they'll still be slower in Q3 but let's not forget that we're at the start of a new set of regulations. The cars always slow down during a major regs change and then time is found year-on-year as the teams develop their understanding of the new cars.
Not always. Remember how everyone was crying at the end of 2008 about how much DF would be lost for 2009?
Spain fastest lap of the weekend:
2008 - 1:20.584
2009 - 1:19.954
Yes, 2008 DF producing areas on the cars were lost due to new regs, but at the same time we had some compensation in other areas such as front wing width and slick tires (and DDD). This year we have nothing, just restrictions all over the place.
George-Jung wrote:Last but not least, Vettel was also running the super-soft tyre.. which was a lot softer than they are now.
2011 SS were harder tires than 2012 SS which is basically what we're using now.

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I was of the understanding that 2014 had the hardest compounds Pirelli have used.
“To be able to actually make something is awfully nice”
Bruce McLaren on building his first McLaren racecars, 1970

“I've got to be careful what I say, but possibly to probably Juan would have had a bigger go”
Sir Frank Williams after the 2003 Canadian GP, where Ralf hesitated to pass brother M. Schumacher