Richard wrote:FoxHound wrote:Where in this hypothesis does openly berating Renault fit? Carlos Ghosn(The Renault boz-boz) is having kittens over this, I can assure it.
Further, why would Abiteboul openly wade into this and call Red Bull out over the demands they made?
Because both parties are annoyed that they've ended up in a situation where they've put untested parts on a race car. They took a gamble hoping it would get them out their predicament. It didn't so now they're grumbling about why they were in that predicament in the first place and pointing the finger at the other for devising a failed plan to get out.
I imagine that both Renault and RB are correct when viewed from their own perspective. I also imagine than an outsider with full knowledge of the situation would probably say both of them were at fault. After all they're meant to act as a team and should be jointly involved in decision making, hence jointly responsible when that breaks down.
Not trying to create moderator infighting here, but I partly disagree
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Renault and RBR are still seperate identities. Yes, you are correct to state they should work together as a team.
Fact is they aren't: Red Bull does not want share certain details about its chassis/packaging and Renault does not want to share certain details about its power unit. There is and always will be a certain level of distrust, and the rumors of Renault wanting to return as a works team in F1 have certainly not helped in this regard.
There will be an exchange of information in an attempt to lead to the correct decisions, but since both are seperate identities, it's also best each makes certain decisions on their own.
You were correct stating earlier that the performance updates would have costs tokens if not introduced before Melbourne. However, they will have been aware of the risk that if the updates do not work, that they are wasting very valuable power unit components. Not only did it cause ricciardo, and perhaps verstappen too, to loose an ICE, the ICE he currently has been put in is the same as the one that broke down. So they are 1 ICE down and the same issue is still there.
Now it did not cost tokens; now it'll costs both Renault and RBR a very hazard of a season. If they put in a third ICE with updated reliability, they only have one regulatory allocation left to put on the tokens allocated to the ICE. This will certainly lead to multiple ICE's being used beyond the regulatory 4, resulting in quite a few penalties. If they wait with the reliability updates until the development tokens are ready to be applied, then they need to keep running the detuned engine until they are ready, most likely Spain. Either way, their season has been destroyed: either by running a detuned state until they reach the strategic point of token introduction, or being penalized multiple times at the end of the season. The reason? A hasty last minute introduction of untested parts.
As long as they don't put in the reliability updates, which require yet another new allocation of components, components run a very high risk of breaking down or need to be run in a detuned state.
That's a risk that Renault knew would be there. RBR are as ignorant as critical customer can be, but renault should have known that was not the best decision.
