2017 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai 07-09 April

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bblundell72 wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 18:06
I am disappointed of the suspension of FP1 and FP2 like everyone, but I understand the safety concerns and I also can be a realist in expectations of the FIA.
The farce IMO is that the sessions were suspended on the grounds of the medical helicopter not being able to land at the designated hospital, all while the media helicopter was happily circling the track from overhead and broadcasting live pictures during the entire session.

As a spectator, buying expensive tickets and taking part in what is most likely the one unique event of the year, I think I'd be quite frustrated too. The problem here isn't the FIA directive that enforces a venue to take pre defined required measures on the grounds of safety (e.g. that an adequate hospital can be reached within 20 minutes), but that the venue itself didn't take these precautions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it probably happens quite often that the (medical) helicopter can't be used to land at the local hospital due to weather, fog or smog, in which case, people will just use the next best thing on the occasion when an accident happens. When there is an event of the scope and prestige and magnitude of F1 being held in your city however, I would expect at least a backup plan of some sort (e.g. be prepared to divert traffic to enable to take an ambulance to the nearest hospital) to go forward.

As I said, if the weather is simply horrific like in Malaysia a couple of years ago, that is another topic and the consequences pretty much unavoidable then... but this isn't the case here, is it?
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Wass85 wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 17:29
SparkyAMG wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 17:11
Phil wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 14:27
1.) A hospital must be reached within 20 minutes (tested between FP1 and FP2 by the FIA and wasn't possible due to traffic)
2.) The designated hospital (I assume the one in Shanghai) must be accessible via helicopter
That's correct, and the chosen hospital must have neurological specialists based there that meet FIA's standards, which is why I think they have to use this particular hospital in Shanghai.

Hopefully the low clouds don't affect race day too!
Why they can't have a state of the art medical centre at every race is beyond me.
They do but it is an ER-type facility intended to triage and stabilise prior to moving to a real hospital.
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Phil wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 18:34
bblundell72 wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 18:06
I am disappointed of the suspension of FP1 and FP2 like everyone, but I understand the safety concerns and I also can be a realist in expectations of the FIA.
The farce IMO is that the sessions were suspended on the grounds of the medical helicopter not being able to land at the designated hospital, all while the media helicopter was happily circling the track from overhead and broadcasting live pictures during the entire session.
The medical helicopter could not land at the hospital due to fog. Not because it could not take off from the track. Fog at the medical helicopter destination point not at the departure point caused the suspension.

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All this talk about weather in Korea, West USA is very interesting but has absolutely nothing to do with the Chinese GP. Weather is unpredictable and speculation as to what it will be like on Sunday is just that...speculation.
A number of off topic posts have been removed.

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Gonna put this here:
F1 race director Charlie Whiting said: "The helicopter can't land at the hospital, which is about 38 kilometres away unfortunately.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/poor ... p2-890500/

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1158 wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 20:35
Gonna put this here:
F1 race director Charlie Whiting said: "The helicopter can't land at the hospital, which is about 38 kilometres away unfortunately.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/poor ... p2-890500/
+1 seriously how many times does it need to be said. People acting like children in here. Post this at the top of every new page.

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bblundell72 wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 18:30
motobaleno wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 18:24
bblundell72 wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 18:06
I can’t think of a single professional sport that maintains a completely staffed ER trauma center at every event.

Clinica mobile in motoGP
to be honest the presence of clinica mobile in motoGP (that is an abolsute medical excellence)
is largely due to the efforts of a single ("mad") man: Claudio Costa
Clinica Mobile that travels with MotoGP is an excellent first response but is far from a trauma center and does not come close to having the facilities offered by a hospital nor does it meet the neurological requirements that the designated hospital within 20 minutes of an F1 event is required to meet.
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SectorOne wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 21:04

People have this idea that a broken leg is the same thing as a severe head injury.
I think that not a single one allover the forum has this idea.

this pointless post is plain cyberbullying

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Phil wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 18:34
bblundell72 wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 18:06
I am disappointed of the suspension of FP1 and FP2 like everyone, but I understand the safety concerns and I also can be a realist in expectations of the FIA.
The farce IMO is that the sessions were suspended on the grounds of the medical helicopter not being able to land at the designated hospital, all while the media helicopter was happily circling the track from overhead and broadcasting live pictures during the entire session.

As a spectator, buying expensive tickets and taking part in what is most likely the one unique event of the year, I think I'd be quite frustrated too. The problem here isn't the FIA directive that enforces a venue to take pre defined required measures on the grounds of safety (e.g. that an adequate hospital can be reached within 20 minutes), but that the venue itself didn't take these precautions. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it probably happens quite often that the (medical) helicopter can't be used to land at the local hospital due to weather, fog or smog, in which case, people will just use the next best thing on the occasion when an accident happens. When there is an event of the scope and prestige and magnitude of F1 being held in your city however, I would expect at least a backup plan of some sort (e.g. be prepared to divert traffic to enable to take an ambulance to the nearest hospital) to go forward.

As I said, if the weather is simply horrific like in Malaysia a couple of years ago, that is another topic and the consequences pretty much unavoidable then... but this isn't the case here, is it?
Really unbelievable post.

100% proves the problems with F1 is the fans.

They will complain about anything.

The weather isn't a matter of life or death for any fan, not a single one.

Yet it is a matter of life or death for those who go out to entertain us.

How dare we complain about something we literally spend nothing on. A few hundred bucks? That's pennies at the end of the day.

Life is priceless and most people in the paddock driver or not have dedicated their lives to F1 and don't deserve to have it put in jeapordy to make some fans who have no clue happy.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 18:35
Wass85 wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 17:29
SparkyAMG wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 17:11


That's correct, and the chosen hospital must have neurological specialists based there that meet FIA's standards, which is why I think they have to use this particular hospital in Shanghai.

Hopefully the low clouds don't affect race day too!
Why they can't have a state of the art medical centre at every race is beyond me.
They do but it is an ER-type facility intended to triage and stabilise prior to moving to a real hospital.
What would be so hard about having the facilities at the circuit? They could easily afford it I should imagine?

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motobaleno wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 21:51
I think that not a single one allover the forum has this idea.

this pointless post is plain cyberbullying
You know what, some times people need a good smack down because they are acting like imbeciles!
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Wass85 wrote:
07 Apr 2017, 22:37
What would be so hard about having the facilities at the circuit? They could easily afford it I should imagine?
A good MRI machine is something like 2+ Million to buy, and that doesn't include the skilled technicians and doctors you need to run and maintain it. It's not financially feasible for a circuit to have a fully equipped and staffed trauma center on site. A lot of small cities don't even have one.
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Has there been any communication from FOM or FIA on how they'll proceed? (Especially if Sunday is forecast to be the same)

Sky have been showing the old China races and I'm desperate for another beast! Also, fully agree with the call on the helichopter, non negotioable.
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Ok so mods will allow this bickering about a theoretical on site hospital, which has nothing to do with the race, but not discussions about the weather, labeling it mere speculation, even though I have a proven track record of being accurate(go ahead search my 7 year post history).

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/no-c ... le-890609/

"A decision on the possibility of a change of race time was due to be made at Friday night's drivers' briefing in Shanghai.

But with the FIA confident that the weather for Sunday will not be as bad as some have feared – with the cloud set to be higher and windier conditions expected – the idea of a change was swiftly ruled out.

Whiting told team managers and drivers that the timetable for the weekend was going ahead without any alteration.

Haas driver Kevin Magnussen said: "It looks like the weather forecast is saying the clouds will be a bit higher up, so that the chance of the helicopter being able to land will be bigger on Sunday.""
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