Mercedes GP MGP W01

[Predator]

Agreed. People are too quick to 'jump the gun'. We're not even half way through the season yet and people are moaning about the car and Schumacher. For God's sake, get a grip. Some on here even think they know more than Mercedes when it comes to the design of the car and how to run the team!

[Scotracer]

The W01 is a wank car. Bring on 2011.

[bugref]

Agreed. People are too quick to 'jump the gun'. We're not even half way through the season yet and people are moaning about the car and Schumacher. For God's sake, get a grip. Some on here even think they know more than Mercedes when it comes to the design of the car and how to run the team!

We're just being realistic here, they already made some radical design changes but nothing happen they are still stack below RBR, Mac, ferrari. the least podium they got was 3rd place. some of this people had facts to back their opinion of the mercedes situation. and We believe the W01 car had ended it season sooner than I expected. If you ask me if they can win a race, They may, but it would take RBR, maclaren, or ferrari to break or had a setup issues, or rain perhaps, but if this team doesnt break then its hopeless for mercedes.

They might as well save their money and accept the fact that their car is not good enough to win races. and devote their resources now for their 2011 car.

[ringo]

It could take heavy rain for them to win, ie with the new long wheel base car.
Maybe a rainy silvertone with shumacher. Rosberg did well in china with the short wheel base car. Shumi wasn't so comfortable with the low speed balance, but he should be ok now with the LWB.
So it's not so hopeless, but that's a slim chance.

[ggajic]

In last race they were not so slow, in fact Schumacher made good start and if he didn`t have rear tyre puncture he would have been at least 6-7th. But overall, Mercedes is simply failing to make significant progress like McLaren. That is why I said that it is embarrassing for them - on straight line - car with same engine is 15-20km faster and that is where 0.5-0.8 sec is lost. My conclusion is that Mercedes GP don`t just have problem with balance and suspension - aerodynamics is key factor here. Since we all know that power required is drag coefficient x (speed)^3 and both McLaren and Mercedes GP use same engines (therefor power output is probably same) it is clear that overall drag coefficient of McLaren car is smaller due to better aerodynamics. Solution is quite simple - if someone is not capable to do his job as he is supposed to do - fire him..

[Ganxxta]

Solution is quite simple - if someone is not capable to do his job as he is supposed to do - fire him..

But first you have to find someone who can do a better job, thats the problem...

[marcush.]

the nosecone is for sure not their problem but building a new one would...as this would make their car illegal as the front crash structure is homologised=fixed for the season.

But it sure makes you wonder why they seem to be right up there speedwise at certain points of the race.
Schumacher was incredibly quick in the opening stage and rosberg had also a very competitive time in the early part of the race..with emptying tanks everything detoriates...and all the effort goes to waste...

it shows that they still have the weight distribution problem
with weight loss the the cars weight distribution shifts and causes bad handling

[ggajic]

Solution is quite simple - if someone is not capable to do his job as he is supposed to do - fire him..

But first you have to find someone who can do a better job, thats the problem...

Agree! Although F1 is closed circle of people, like in every craft, I still can't believe that with 6 billion people on the Earth there is no one who can do job better. IMHO Mercedes GP kept same mediocre Honda staff. With exception of first half of 2009. season they never were top end of F1. Yes, Newey is outstanding and one of its kind - but I still can't believe that there is no one out there who can do it better. After all - it is sport and point of compiting is that anyone can win and anyone can lose. Sometimes it takes more then just money to build winning car - it takes passion and hard work..

[WhiteBlue]

Mercedes GP don`t just have problem with balance and suspension - aerodynamics is key factor here. Since we all know that power required is drag coefficient x (speed)^3 and both McLaren and Mercedes GP use same engines (therefor power output is probably same) it is clear that overall drag coefficient of McLaren car is smaller due to better aerodynamics. Solution is quite simple - if someone is not capable to do his job as he is supposed to do - fire him..

If your analysis is correct your supposed action is only a small part of the solution. The real challenge is to get someone into the position who can do it better. Red Bull, McLaren and even Tombazi's people at Ferrari aren't supposed to be all wankers. They all have recruited talent for decades or many years at least. Probably it isn't just one person who produces all the decisions and solutions involved. It could be a whole group of people. Recruiting some replacements and forming a new group of people who co-operate at a higher performance isn't done at a turn of a key. What if they have already started that process some time ago and we don't know it? What if the weaknesses of W01 are a result of all the firing that has happened in 2009 at Brawn? If that is the reason you would only aggravate the situation for the 2011 car if you fire more people now.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Mercedes cannot hope to change anything in 6 months.

1.First you identify you weak area.
2.You then find how to improve this weakness.
3.If all avenues of this exercise is exhausted, you identify another person that will improve the situation.
4.You then go about the arduos process of negotiations and agree a deal.

Then you hope!

This team is in its infancy, there will be a teething period and there will be staff turnover. Thee is no magic bullet just because Mercedes are now involved.

[Blackout]

Mercedes embaressed?

Hardly! What happened in 2005 and 2006 when Reanualt beat Ferrari?
Where Ferrari "embaressed"? Humbled yes

Pfff...
as if it was the first time that the 'tiny' Renault beats a great like Ferrari...
To be beaten by Renault is not a shame and it's history repeating itself...
Renault as a competitor is a giant monster... how many manufacturers would dream Renault's palmares ?

[ggajic]

Although it seems that F1 car is more about team work I still see 1997 Ferrari as example how one person can have influence on overall car performance. 1997. Ferrari was designed by John Barnard who never was good F1 designer. Yet Rory Byrne managed to make it competitive. And it lost championship in last round. Where would be Red Bull without Newey? Probably where Jaguar was in 2004... I don't say that one person can do it all.. However designing F1 car is craft and it takes years to master it. Williams is another good example. Since they lost Newey to McLaren at the end of 1996. I think they managed to win 1997. championship and are constantly falling back.

[timbo]

Ferrari was designed by John Barnard who never was good F1 designer.

MP4-1, MP4-2 were a bad cars?
News to me...

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Mercedes embaressed?

Hardly! What happened in 2005 and 2006 when Reanualt beat Ferrari?
Where Ferrari "embaressed"? Humbled yes

Pfff...
as if it was the first time that the 'tiny' Renault beats a great like Ferrari...
To be beaten by Renault is not a shame and it's history repeating itself...
Renault as a competitor is a giant monster... how many manufacturers would dream Renault's palmares ?

Yea, Renault are truly the greatest ever and no one can ever stop them.
Now please stop polluting the MERCEDES W01 thread.

[aral]

Mercedes embaressed?

Hardly! What happened in 2005 and 2006 when Reanualt beat Ferrari?
Where Ferrari "embaressed"? Humbled yes

Pfff...
as if it was the first time that the 'tiny' Renault beats a great like Ferrari...
To be beaten by Renault is not a shame and it's history repeating itself...
Renault as a competitor is a giant monster... how many manufacturers would dream Renault's palmares ?

Yea, Renault are truly the greatest ever and no one can ever stop them.
Now please stop polluting the MERCEDES W01 thread.

There is no pollution of the thread, as the above responses seem to be an expansion of the Mercedes topic. Do you by any chance, work for Mercedes?