Jos Verstappen: "Schumacher used TC in 1994"

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Rock died with the Berlin wall.

Welcome to 2012 strad... You will find we have moved on.

[Cuky]

And you think that is a good thing???

No, I don't think that is a good thing. But sadly that is not the case only in F1 but in every other sport too.

[Raptor22]

Bottom left, TC adjustment knob (green, 1-2-3-4):



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LOL
oh yeah they'e going to label a TC switch out in the open where the race scrutineers will see TC.
Thats the electronic differential settings switch. The diff contributes to traction.
A TC system is more than an electronically controlled diff. Its a set of sensors and software that work trough feedback loops to monitor wheel spin and split traction to the wheels that require it. this requires accelerometers at the wheels, in the Diff, gearbox and engine to feedback information to a computer to make the required power adjustment, diff setting and apply the required brake.

This topic won't die just like the who was behind the JFK killing debate.

The FIA investigation into the B194 in 1994 revealed no hardware for TC to be active. What was disputed was whether Launch control was USED!

[LionKing]

LionKing, with all respect, why are you now trying to generate dirt where no one before you has has ever even thought of? Trying to manipulate actions of the most noble drivers and moments in motorsport history just for the sake of justifying most disgraceful driver and moments in motorsport history is truly pathetic.

Finally got some time:

The handing the car over to Fangio in 1956 had happened 3 times in a 8 race season not just the last race... and Collin hadn't been the only teammate who had given his car. "Fangio won the opening race after commandeering Musso's car after his own car had broken down." So whenever Fangio's car broke down, his teammates happen to offer their car to him.

Secondly, if you notice I did not say anything bad about Fangio (whom I do not know at all). This was about your statement of knighthood and fairplay in F1 before your villain arrived.

As one of the members mentioned car swap was legal at that time. Similarly, if I recall correctly, team orders were not banned in 2002 though to this day we haven't heard the end of Schumacher-Barrichello position swap yet! Compared to driving to pits and giving the car to the teammate, it is a lot less significant... (Schumacher had also let Irvine by in 99 during final races, if I recall right twice in one particular race)

You are preaching about knighthood and fairplay, on the other hand you tried to justify Senna premeditated action.

You posted a picture with a steering wheel to facilitate your claims. When somebody tells that the steering wheel used by Schumacher in 94 was round your answer is "Perhaps illegal electronics was in the round steering wheel, which wasn't sold by Benetton together with the car?" ... Yes, perhaps. But unless there is some evidence or some reasoning behind this statement, this is just a pointless and retarded speculation.

Considering that you accused me off generating dirt when I gave some events of 1956 as an example, I think this is actually making up dirt. All around too much hypocrisy....

Finally, your responses as well as usage of words such as SS,fuhrer suggest me that you have some severe unresolved historical issues.

[strad]

"I" think you don't know what you're talking about because it is as foreign to your world as fair play and honesty.
It had nothing to do with cheating,,,It was the norm and had been since Grand Prix racing began.

[strad]

How about Moss in 1958?,,,I bet you think he was a fool.

[manchild]

LK, so what you're actually saying is that fairpay and sportsmanship never existed, same as honor, truth, good, honesty etc? Everything is just bad and evil, and there was never no signs of good on this planet?

[elmerfud]

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/176134/1/v ... rison.html

More cloak and dagger stuff for all you sherlocks.

[SeijaKessen]

I'm bumping this.

There's something I'd like someone to explain to me if possible...

The 1994 San Marino Grand Prix...

In an interview conducted with Michael Schumacher at the start of the BBC telecast, he said he fully expected to be at a disadvantage at Imola due to the power of the Williams FW16's Renault V10. He said the circuit vastly favored the Williams team.

Now we all know that the Renault V10 at that time was ungodly fast. If you look at any footage from the 1992 and 1993 season on circuits like Imola or Hockenheim, the Williams cars on the straights alone were unbeatable. There's one video out there of Mansell battling Senna in 1992, and even when Senna defends causing Mansell to drop back, as soon as Mansell puts his foot down, he just reels him in like nothing.

Now granted we have only one full lap that Senna completed; lap 6.

Can anyone explain how when the race restarted when the safety car came in, that Schumacher was able to stay within half a second of Senna?

I've watched that lap 6 numerous times, and Senna was driving absolutely on the limit for that whole lap. About the only distance he could put between himself and Schumacher was on the straighter sections. Gerhard Berger and Damon Hill could not keep up with either of them. Two-thirds of the way through lap 6, there was already a gap of 2.5 to 3 seconds between Senna and Berger, and 4.5-5 seconds between Senna and Hill. Yet when they crossed the line to start lap 7, there was almost no increase between Senna and Schumacher.

One thing I happened to notice when Senna and Schumacher come out of the Variante Bassa at the end of lap 6, it looks like Schumacher's B-194 starts to fishtail or slide to the left, but seems to straighten out instantaneously. It might have been my eyes with it being late at night, or I might thought I seen something that wasn't there.

But here's my point, I fully believe Schumacher's B-194 was using traction control at Imola during the actual race.

I believe also Senna was pushing the FW16 to the absolute limit.

Anyone have any idea for why Schumacher could keep up with Senna like nothing if there was no traction control involved?

[flynfrog]

Shu's left foot

[Gerhard Berger]

I'm bumping this.

There's something I'd like someone to explain to me if possible...

The 1994 San Marino Grand Prix...

In an interview conducted with Michael Schumacher at the start of the BBC telecast, he said he fully expected to be at a disadvantage at Imola due to the power of the Williams FW16's Renault V10. He said the circuit vastly favored the Williams team.

Now we all know that the Renault V10 at that time was ungodly fast. If you look at any footage from the 1992 and 1993 season on circuits like Imola or Hockenheim, the Williams cars on the straights alone were unbeatable. There's one video out there of Mansell battling Senna in 1992, and even when Senna defends causing Mansell to drop back, as soon as Mansell puts his foot down, he just reels him in like nothing.

Now granted we have only one full lap that Senna completed; lap 6.

Can anyone explain how when the race restarted when the safety car came in, that Schumacher was able to stay within half a second of Senna?

I've watched that lap 6 numerous times, and Senna was driving absolutely on the limit for that whole lap. About the only distance he could put between himself and Schumacher was on the straighter sections. Gerhard Berger and Damon Hill could not keep up with either of them. Two-thirds of the way through lap 6, there was already a gap of 2.5 to 3 seconds between Senna and Berger, and 4.5-5 seconds between Senna and Hill. Yet when they crossed the line to start lap 7, there was almost no increase between Senna and Schumacher.

One thing I happened to notice when Senna and Schumacher come out of the Variante Bassa at the end of lap 6, it looks like Schumacher's B-194 starts to fishtail or slide to the left, but seems to straighten out instantaneously. It might have been my eyes with it being late at night, or I might thought I seen something that wasn't there.

But here's my point, I fully believe Schumacher's B-194 was using traction control at Imola during the actual race.

I believe also Senna was pushing the FW16 to the absolute limit.

Anyone have any idea for why Schumacher could keep up with Senna like nothing if there was no traction control involved?

I believe i read somewhere that Senna was on a 1 stop and Schumacher on a 2 stop strategy.

[Cuky]

And also, Schumacher was in Senna's slipstream lowering the top speed deficit he had because of weaker engine.

[elmerfud]

I have memories of that season,as soon as Schuey started winning the TV coverage was like 'Ayrton who?'.
Ayrton was used to the spotlight, and the world had became accustomed to his petulance.
When he died it almost passed unnoticed by TV coverage standards.
It was sad to lose him, but you can't blame Micheal directly or even indirectly through TC.
It showed poor old Ayrtons human side (losing) and everybody expected this superhuman hero.
It's a sad story, if you managed to prove the TC you could put the wheels in motion to strip MS of a title, WOW, upset alot of people that would. (in yoda voice)

[waynes]

I have memories of that season,as soon as Schuey started winning the TV coverage was like 'Ayrton who?'.
Ayrton was used to the spotlight, and the world had became accustomed to his petulance.
When he died it almost passed unnoticed by TV coverage standards.
It was sad to lose him, but you can't blame Micheal directly or even indirectly through TC.
It showed poor old Ayrtons human side (losing) and everybody expected this superhuman hero.
It's a sad story, if you managed to prove the TC you could put the wheels in motion to strip MS of a title, WOW, upset alot of people that would. (in yoda voice)

i'm not even going to risk a ban by destroying your above post but please note, "when he died it almost passed unnoticed" is not a phrase i'd associate with the death of Ayrton Senna da Silva.

further to your post, i suggest you find a torrent of 1992 and 1993 seasons, and watch him win races, but not the title.

as stated, im not risking a ban, but you are either trolling, or seriously deluded. (or nelson piquet snr)

[elmerfud]

ban me, i'll live!

where is your sense of objectivity?

i was 13 at the time, i remember it well.