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On the final day of winter testing at Jerez de la Frontera, Ferrari's Fernando Alonso was the fastest man on track despite spending quite some time in the garage due to car problems. The Spaniard was followed by Toro Rosso's Jean-Eric Vergne and Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel.
Autosportraymondu999 wrote:Where do you get speed trap data from?
I figured it did help under braking with the off throttle maps.raymondu999 wrote:EBD would just give them more rear downforce period. You could still crank up the rear wing and get the downforce back. I don't think the EBD will change anything in terms of the handling characteristics of the car - it will just shift the setup window.
Possibly. Again though - about helping with the brakes. That's because they had more downforce. The brakes didn't become better because of the exhausts - that's a function of the extra downforce afforded. If you get where I'm going with the differentiation. Again, I don't think the EBD could intrinsically change the handling/balance in a way that can't be countered - it just moved the setup window.dren wrote:I figured it did help under braking with the off throttle maps.raymondu999 wrote:EBD would just give them more rear downforce period. You could still crank up the rear wing and get the downforce back. I don't think the EBD will change anything in terms of the handling characteristics of the car - it will just shift the setup window.
Maybe Webber just needs to adjust his driving style. I find it hard to believe that the Red Bull would all of a sudden be skiddish into the corners, like you stated earlier. Maybe they are having flow separation issues with the floor if they are still trying to run too high of a rake? I know Newey stated they had to lower the rear, but maybe it wasn't lowered enough yet? Just some guessing.
raymondu999 wrote:Possibly. Again though - about helping with the brakes. That's because they had more downforce. The brakes didn't become better because of the exhausts - that's a function of the extra downforce afforded. If you get where I'm going with the differentiation. Again, I don't think the EBD could intrinsically change the handling/balance in a way that can't be countered - it just moved the setup window.dren wrote:I figured it did help under braking with the off throttle maps.raymondu999 wrote:EBD would just give them more rear downforce period. You could still crank up the rear wing and get the downforce back. I don't think the EBD will change anything in terms of the handling characteristics of the car - it will just shift the setup window.
Maybe Webber just needs to adjust his driving style. I find it hard to believe that the Red Bull would all of a sudden be skiddish into the corners, like you stated earlier. Maybe they are having flow separation issues with the floor if they are still trying to run too high of a rake? I know Newey stated they had to lower the rear, but maybe it wasn't lowered enough yet? Just some guessing.
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Ebd will have a big difference in handling terms.
It was a massive gain of around 15-20 % downforce. Red Bull had the rake which allowed a FW running close to the ground.
Every millimetre that wing ran closer to the ground was performance gained on its rivals.
The ban on ebd means they cannot run super rake adjusted set ups, they cannot have the leading edge of their wing skimming the floor, and they cannot utilise the their own ebd blown concept(as the inventors of the system, I'm going to say they had the best one out there).
That's not to say the RB8 is screwed, becuase the previous 2 cars were more than just ebd wagons. But to say the loss of ebd just means a shift in the set up window is wrong.
Losing 15-20 points downforce is akin to a disaster beyond setup windows...
So in what way would you propose that the cars, sans EBD, could be affected, to the point that you couldn't compensate with setup changes? Will the cars be slower? Yes. Will they have less downforce at the back, or overall? Yes. But will it change the balance (to eliminate any possible misunderstanding - what I'm terming as balance here is the balance of grip from back to front, responsiveness, stability, under/oversteer)? I doubt it. You would still be able to achieve the same balance; albeit slower, sans EBD.Mr.S wrote:It would,breaking points would alter, with less downforce the car in general tends to slide. The whole car handling changes. The rear hide & rake changes to. EBD allows people to run a higher rake.
I was about to ask the same question as S did.dren wrote:It looked like the W02 was the exact same on the outside from what they finished the season with.