Ferrari F14T

[Frafer]

Hi to everyone, i have been following this forum since 2011 and now i decide it's time to join the group

By the way, i believe that http://i.imgur.com/bK8xImM.png?1 is definitely a nose cone lotus-like but it's seems to be upside-down in this shot (understandable by the way the chassis points to the ground in its attack-points and by the fact that if it was in the right position it will clearly hit the floor). Doesn't look like a normal shoulder-helmet protection, too long and too narrow. I don't' think ferrari's engineers are going to miss a amount of performance by creating a nose that will not be the best solution for their car. Well.. let's wait and see.

[Tubbs]

Looks like a Marussia with the red and black and white paint job....

[timbo]

How much downforce does this nose produce compared with Lotus and McLaren nose?
Is it possible that Ferrari decided that nose produces some downforce, so that they can use front wing more to redirect air under the tub?

I was thinking along the same lines, but my guess is that the downforce created in the center of the wing with the nosecone/neutral section combo are used to free up endplates area. Maybe the real wing will not have full width flaps and have a very complex endlates.

[thomin]

Is it a coincidence that F14T looks like a nerdy way to spell FIAT? Bad omen anyone?

Anyway, should the car be quick, the design will immediately grow on people. Otherwise, it will go down as an ugly mishap...

[scuderiafan]

Beauty considerations apart (my God, that nose is ugly ) I don't see the point of not exploiting the new regulations for the nose like McLaren or Lotus did.

Well, I'm pretty sure that Ferrari tried few (at least) different approaches for nose design.
Especially tusk/walrus Lotus-esque type.

They have Allison, and he knows what Lotus was developing.
And that mold for a Lotus type nose what we've seen in that movie.

And with all that said, why would they choose less efficient design?

With all due respect, have you seen the results and performance of the recent year cars? Unfortunately, the facts show that Ferrari has not chosen the most efficient design in recent times. I hope to be wrong about this year contender, but I feel they have missed it again…

In hindsight, that's very easy to say. The fact is, we won't know until the 2014 season is over.

[scuderiafan]

Hi to everyone, i have been following this forum since 2011 and now i decide it's time to join the group

By the way, i believe that http://i.imgur.com/bK8xImM.png?1 is definitely a nose cone lotus-like but it's seems to be upside-down in this shot (understandable by the way the chassis points to the ground in its attack-points and by the fact that if it was in the right position it will clearly hit the floor). Doesn't look like a normal shoulder-helmet protection, too long and too narrow. I don't' think ferrari's engineers are going to miss a amount of performance by creating a nose that will not be the best solution for their car. Well.. let's wait and see.

It could be the nose we see now, just inverted. I don't see any reason to believe that it MUST be a new E22-like nose.

[acosmichippo]

couldn't it be something that fits *in* the nose or somewhere else in the car?

[Vanja #66]

Why they do not reduce the section of the cone? It seems too wide

Maybe because that creates two cross sections?

[tok-tokkie]

How much did Rory Burne contribute this year? Is he a consultant or has he been there full time?

[skgoa]

The Inlet is much smaller than the Macca/Williams, not so sure about the sidepod being smaller...

Those 2 certainly have more of an undercut.

The Ferrari sidepods seem to take up a little more maximum cross section. I'm not sure about overall volume, as the Macca sidepods are very elongated. At first glance Ferrari seems to have opted for bigger outlets, as well. I wouldn't be so quick to call an advantage for either side, it's two vastly different concepts.
And we can be certain that we won't get to see the final bodywork until the last week of testing anyways, as even the teams themselves don't even know how good their cooling concepts really are.

Why they do not reduce the section of the cone? It seems too wide

Probably because this was the width that gave them best results in the windtunnel. It's a trade-off between routing air through the nose and routing air around the nose. You have to keep in mind that forcing air into a narrow tunnel is much less effective than forcing it into a wide tunnel. E.g. Red Bull had to massively enlarge their sidepod tunnels.

[stefan_]

As a side note, the marketing departments of Philip Morris and Ferrari deserve a prize. They have two tobacco logos as big as the car but still manage to get away with it.

[Chuckjr]

Can we please stop with just saying Ferrari got it wrong. Please. We know NOTHING. They may be 2 seconds faster and then everyone copies over the season. They may be nowhere and they have to copy. They may all be the same. We have no idea. That whole line of thought of win/loss from a recent picture needs to be circle-filed, please.
Now….
I'm not an armchair aerodynamicist or anything of the sort. I am just wondering from any takers if the reason Ferrari has opted for the platypus style nose rather than the preferred phallic symbol nose (by a few teams), could be because there is less turbulence created by the single line of penetration/boundary layer (so to say--don't know the correct terms, sorry) rather than a point, and then a quick widening shortly after? Maybe the single layer allows a much cleaner/smoother flow than essentially, the two boundaries? Maybe it has nothing at all to do with downforce, but rather, FLOW smoothly over the nose to the split?

[Vanja #66]

As a side note, the marketing departments of Philip Morris and Ferrari deserve a prize. They have two tobacco logos as big as the car but still manage to get away with it.

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You think that black area at the rear is Marlboro's red, and red area on the car is Marlboro's white? Since that new Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro logo is entering it's fourth year of service...

Actually, that way Marlboro has four logos on the car, two on each side...

[acosmichippo]

I don't know if I'd call it a "logo", but the geometry sure is reminiscent, and that's really all it takes.

[henra]

I'm not an armchair aerodynamicist or anything of the sort. I am just wondering from any takers if the reason Ferrari has opted for the platypus style nose rather than the preferred phallic symbol nose (by a few teams), could be because there is less turbulence created by the single line of penetration/boundary layer (so to say--don't know the correct terms, sorry) rather than a point, and then a quick widening shortly after?

I reckon it simply is the path they have chosen. This type of nose could work well with an In-wash front wing where the low pressure generated behind the platypus will help the Front Wing Endplates in getting the airflow inwards below the tub.

If that approach is the better of the two general choices remains to be seen. From my perspective the main disadvantage of their approach is that I can't see how this will work well with an Out- wash design should the latter prove superior. They will to start almost from scratch again aero- wise.
The D*ck solution should in contrast be able to work with both approaches quite OK which should limit the risk somewhat.