2014 German Grand Prix - Hockenheim

[iotar__]

Rosberg calls football soccer, what kind of clueless person do that? Fussball Nico That's it, I'm joining Team-Hamilton now. What did Vergne do to get five seconds for track limits? Did he run wide at least six times in corners where it's specifically forbidden and three times on an overtake lap itself? I missed it but surely something much, much worse.

Did anybody noticed that Redbull was quite quick on straights compared to other Renault powered teams... And what's happening with Lotus? They brought some improvements for this race but being 2-3 sec off the pace per lap is just frustrating. I can't belive how can you fail so much in less than one year time.

I thought Ricciardo was quite quick compared to out of the slip stream Alonso although someone above is disagreeing with rational and full of facts 20 emoticons answer.

Lotus = horrible way of spending limited money and resources in preparation for the biggest changes in history of F1 (overpaying on one side - problems in more important areas) Connected but secondary: you can't lose that sort of money forever, pity downsizing happened in 2014, late start, less money for development (see Force India), probably tricky design, they were genuinely fine in high speed now it's downhill, personnel losses, third grade engine and even worse support from Renault, FRIC ban cost them but it's secondary

[PlatinumZealot]

lotus were actually running quite well in the race today. Maldo was in the points at one stage.

[Emerson.F]

I wasnt completely sure there was a conspiracy against Hamilton winning the WDC until today when the safety car failed to emerge for the stricken sauber? In the past the safety car came out if one of the marshalls spilled his tea for gods sake? Yet here we see marshalls having to run ACROSS the track to the sauber ...unbelievable

[SectorOne]

Cast your vote for the driver of the day here - http://www.f1technical.net/poll/index.php?dispid=280

Was a tie between Bottas and Alonso for me. Bottas because he drove very well and Alonso because....well he always brings it

[Redragon]

I wasnt completely sure there was a conspiracy against Hamilton winning the WDC until today when the safety car failed to emerge for the stricken sauber? In the past the safety car came out if one of the marshalls spilled his tea for gods sake? Yet here we see marshalls having to run ACROSS the track to the sauber ...unbelievable

Even if safety car and finishing second he would be behind Rosberg. To be a conspiracy he needs to be really ahead on points on the WorldChampionship and few strange decisions from the FIA make him loose it. Until now he haven't show he is the winner, unfortunate moments but a lot of mistakes from his part too.

[cherok1212]

Pretty difficult to find a reasonable excuse for not deploying a safety car FOR A STALLED CAR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAIN STRAIGHT!!! Not saying HAM would have passed him but in Germany a SC not being deployed to the advantage of a German driver looks suspicious

[Redragon]

Pretty difficult to find a reasonable excuse for not deploying a safety car FOR A STALLED CAR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAIN STRAIGHT!!! Not saying HAM would have passed him but in Germany a SC not being deployed to the advantage of a German driver looks suspicious

None of the stewards are from the country holding the GP, no advantage for playing at home. http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ewards.pdf

[prince]

lotus were actually running quite well in the race today. Maldo was in the points at one stage.

One really has to feel sorry for Lotus. A team on the rise in the past couple of years, despite financial problems. Again, loss of personnel was quite natural when you do not see financial stability for a team. Grosjean was a rising star last year, but sadly no one even talks about his efforts anymore. Its kind of cruel that they got hit the worst from the FRIC ban.

[komninosm]

Hamilton on better tyres and in the better car is really struggling with Bottas
Kudos to that Finnish guy!

Hamilton was not on better tires, by the time he reached Bottas his softer tires were spent. Also his car was damaged (especially the wing on the tire that matters).
It was very disappointing that the Germans did not deploy that safety car. They certainly seemed to know what they were doing. On the other hand I would have loved to at least have seen a proper Hamilton 13+13 on super softs (instead of 8+18). Then we'd see a proper fight for second.

[Jano11]

What was really dumb though was that vettel overtake on Kimi with Alonso involved. I didn't like how he squeezed kimi to the outside when alonso was out there. Vettel didn't have to do that as he already was on the inside with enough room to make a decent corner entry.

Vettel, who was on the right side limit of the track, was squeezing Kimi (who was in the middle of the track) to the outside?!
Not sure what you were watching, but not the same race as most of us.

Vettel's move was a ballsy move to get by Kimi and also cover Alonso at the same time.

Funny thing is when Alonso or Hamilton do it is a great move, when Vettel does it is bad. Very balanced opinions.

[cherok1212]

Pretty difficult to find a reasonable excuse for not deploying a safety car FOR A STALLED CAR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAIN STRAIGHT!!! Not saying HAM would have passed him but in Germany a SC not being deployed to the advantage of a German driver looks suspicious

None of the stewards are from the country holding the GP, no advantage for playing at home. http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ewards.pdf

Is it CW who determines a SC coming out? Is it a one person decision? The Marshalls were on a track attending to a car that they weren't sure what was wrong with it WHILE CARS WENT BY

[Redragon]

Pretty difficult to find a reasonable excuse for not deploying a safety car FOR A STALLED CAR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAIN STRAIGHT!!! Not saying HAM would have passed him but in Germany a SC not being deployed to the advantage of a German driver looks suspicious

None of the stewards are from the country holding the GP, no advantage for playing at home. http://184.106.145.74/f1-championship/f ... ewards.pdf

Is it CW who determines a SC coming out? Is it a one person decision? The Marshalls were on a track attending to a car that they weren't sure what was wrong with it WHILE CARS WENT BY

I am not saying shouldn't been applied a safety car, I think they should have but to say there is a conspiracy against Hamilton is a bit too much

[zeph]

I wasnt completely sure there was a conspiracy against Hamilton winning the WDC until today when the safety car failed to emerge for the stricken sauber? In the past the safety car came out if one of the marshalls spilled his tea for gods sake? Yet here we see marshalls having to run ACROSS the track to the sauber ...unbelievable

+1

That, plus the amazing leniency concerning Rosberg's errors. It is almost as if they are afraid Hamilton would bag the WDC by mid-season and they had to do something to keep some semblance of competition, lest the declining viewership would take an even larger hit.

[iotar__]

To be honest I thought SC was certain, I left, came back and saw live timing with normal lap times WTH? They deployed it for less in the past, last year's German GP for example with Marussia's fire, stopping, getting across the track and going off again (I think?). I don't have a problem with it though, blaming lack of SC for anything is silly here, same with conspiracies.
Maybe they're preparing for standing restarts in 2015 and as little SC as possible ?

[iotar__]

+1
That, plus the amazing leniency concerning Rosberg's errors. It is almost as if they are afraid Hamilton would bag the WDC by mid-season and they had to do something to keep some semblance of competition, lest the declining viewership would take an even larger hit.

No one's afraid of that - Hamilton's doing a great job by himself with one failed qualifying session after another in a spectacular fashion (Canada, Austria, GB) and poor race-craft in Germany, no need for conspiracies after that.
What leniency concerning Rosberg's errors, I don't recall anything like that.