Mercedes AMG F1 W06

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Underside of the rear wing looking extremely efficient there.

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GrizzleBoy wrote: If you look at the inner most part of the FW flaps from directly head on, they've always looked more like vortex generators to me the way they have such sharp tips that look as though they're meant to be cutting through the air instead of passing smoothly through it.

Having the high AOA could be for stronger vortex creation as the air would be more violently "disturbed".

Also, if you wanted to stop the low pressure area directly behind the rest of the front wing sucking in/messing with air from around the nose area that feeds the rest of the car downwind, wouldn't having a strong vortex coming off the tips of the inner FW be a good idea as a vortex of air is less easily disturbed than a "flat" stream, no?

Having one element tip stacked on top of and behind the other would also make the overall vortex stronger assuming the individual vortices work together.

Hopefully at least one part of that was correct/relevant.

/armchair aero
If those are vortex generators, then, it's pretty safe to say it would separate better(sort of an air curtain) the airflow under the nose from the airflow of the FW but would they really want a vortex at such point?

I don't think they aim to have turbulent spinning air in that area of the car. The reason, I modestly guess, is maybe more towards what Moose said

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2015 Winter testing | Session 1, Day 2 - Jerez de la Frontera, Spain (02.02.2015)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Hamilton's now over the 50-lap mark... Jesus.

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Artur Craft wrote:It always caught my eyes, since last year, how Mercedes is the only team with a FW shaped like this:
http://s12.postimg.org/hngeiemf1/W06_jerez.jpg

You can quickly compare with others here:
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 42#p557542

I wonder if that isn't one thing which they could improve on W06(or is everybody wrong or Mercedes found a trick here)?

They run the inner part of the flaps with too much AoA(that's why there is that curve/fold). I can't think of possible benefits of sending airflow that high early on as it's an airflow which you would, supposedly, want to directly reach the undercut, and then, cokebottle.

On the outer flap, it's understandable as you will need high AoA at some point in the FW(afterall, downforce is needed) and there seems to be the most efficient place as it helps decrease the drag around the front tires vortices.

You can say: "They have CFD/wind tunnel and all the resources, so they know far better than any armchair on the internet" which is perfectly true. But so does every other team and nobody else does this with their FW.

Sorry if this was discussed already.
I wonder if their much shorter nose is part of this. Maybe there is a relationship there; maybe the short nose allows or requires them to do this where others with "conventitional" noses can't or don't need to.

Alternatively, maybe the turning vanes and bat wing below the chassis ensures adequate flow to the floor and thus diffuser. This would allow them to work the front wing harder than others without lose of rear end performance.

Perhaps, most likely, it's a combination of these and other reasons. The interaction of the front wing flow structures and the rest of the car behind is complex. Not something we can easily second guess.
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Diesel wrote:Hamilton's now over the 50-lap mark... Jesus.
What's so surprising? Everyone's acting like rosberg didn't do 150 yesterday, and merc cars in general doing very good mileage.

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Diesel wrote:Hamilton's now over the 50-lap mark... Jesus.
... he's actually on his 70th now =P~

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2015 Winter testing | Session 1, Day 2 - Jerez de la Frontera, Spain (02.02.2015)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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I was wondering if Mercedes "temporarily" ditched the log exhaust just to mess up everyone's heads? I mean, everybody must be thinking "Yeah, Mercedes did great last season with a log exhaust, we must do some research on that". And now Mercedes is not using it.

I would like to see everyone's faces if Mercedes runs a log exhaust when season starts.

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Hamilton is currently sidelined due to a water system problem.

By the way they still have #KeepFightingMichael on the car =D>

EDIT: No more running for Hamilton today.
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ojlopez wrote:I was wondering if Mercedes "temporarily" ditched the log exhaust just to mess up everyone's heads? I mean, everybody must be thinking "Yeah, Mercedes did great last season with a log exhaust, we must do some research on that". And now Mercedes is not using it.

I would like to see everyone's faces if Mercedes runs a log exhaust when season starts.
What's log exhaust anyway?

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Aaronque wrote: What's log exhaust anyway?
The One you can see on the Picture in the Article. Saves tons of Space but costs a little Performance. It just looks like a Straight Log rather than 3 Individual Pipes coming out of the Cylinder Head.

http://www.f1technical.net/development/461
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