2016 F1 Spanish Grand Prix

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Interesting article from Andrew Benson on the 20th anniversary of Schumacher's first win for Ferrari.

"Spanish Grand Prix: Why Michael Schumacher's epic 1996 win matters"

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/36277172

I hope that someone today will be able to "manhandle their unwilling machine" to bring the fight to Mercedes and give us an interesting race.

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Xwang wrote:What do you think about this?
http://www.autosport.com/premium/featur ... qualifying

If they have changed settings between FP3 and quali, can they change them again before race?
No. They're in Parc Fermé conditions so no changes can be made after you partake in qualifying.

EDIT: Certain things like tire changes, refuelling, bleeding of brakes and minor front wings adjustments are allowed to be changed.
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SR71 wrote:Having an upgraded PU compared to your teammate sure pays off!
Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better......
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Mega lap by Dan Ricciardo in q3, very Vettel like from his championship years to just show up in q3 for one lap and make it really count!. 8)

Great job by Max too to help lock out the 2nd row in his RedBull debut, he was fast thru the entire qually period.

Ps those 2 laps by Hamilton in q2 and q3 were epic too!. =D>
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dans79 wrote:
SR71 wrote:Having an upgraded PU compared to your teammate sure pays off!
Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better......
Keep telling myself that an upgraded and new specification mercedes PU is more powerful than an outdated spec PU that's 4 races old?

Why wouldn't I tell myself that? Are you lying to yourself and believing the opposite?

PU's are turned down a bit after each race, this compounds race after race - its a strategy for making them last 5 races.

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Isn't Nico on the upgraded unit also? I heard on tv over the weekend I'm pretty sure that Nico is now on his second unit for this race. Which makes sense fifth race of the season and it's Barcelona. Besides next race Monaco is a sleeper and can use old engine.

Did I hear wrong can someone confirm?

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I believe the drop in pace from Ferrari has mostly to do with tyre pressures and temps. I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari tried to venture some tyre pressure trick inspired by RBR. If so, driving lower pressures comes with quite a bit more tyre flex which influences the suspension. Dampers would probably have to be adjusted to compensate the different type of bounce and flexing a softer tyre gives. Then you also have to deal with how different the tyre will heat and having trouble getting into the ideal temp window.

It's all hypothetical but it's a bit of a coincidence this 'weird' unexplainable thing with Ferrari happens now. Both Ferrari's were off the pace, Kimi's less, but he did some damage limitation changing his setup after P3. And a slight setup change won't make you suddenly more than a second slower, it will mostly make the car more snappy or less predictable.
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SR71 wrote:
Keep telling myself that an upgraded and new specification mercedes PU is more powerful than an outdated spec PU that's 4 races old?
Rosberg is the one with a new ICE and MGU-K, all Lewis got is a new MGU-H.
SR71 wrote: Are you lying to yourself and believing the opposite?
lol, i don't believe, I know.

see above...

SR71 wrote: PU's are turned down a bit after each race, this compounds race after race - its a strategy for making them last 5 races.
Wrong again, they are not turned down. What Merc does, is pace the usage of the higher performance engine modes throughout the expected lifespan of the engine.
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dans79 wrote:
SR71 wrote:
Keep telling myself that an upgraded and new specification mercedes PU is more powerful than an outdated spec PU that's 4 races old?
Rosberg is the one with a new ICE and MGU-K, all Lewis got is a new MGU-H.
SR71 wrote: Are you lying to yourself and believing the opposite?
lol, i don't believe, I know.

see above...

SR71 wrote: PU's are turned down a bit after each race, this compounds race after race - its a strategy for making them last 5 races.
Wrong again, they are not turned down. What Merc does, is pace the usage of the higher performance engine modes throughout the expected lifespan of the engine.
He didnt just get a new MGU-H, he has a different spec.

But to get to the point, are you saying that its a fact lewis and nico had equal HP PU's?

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In theory, Nico's should be more powerful, because his ICE and MGU-K are brand new (the two most powerful engine components.). How much more powerful is debatable, and really only known by a handful of people at Merc.
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justmoi
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Besides in one qualifying lap Lewis MGU-H will have a negligible difference. Maybe in the race...

So Lewis gap over Nico was purely speed

Nico's final lap was pretty nippy also though, just not quite as fast as Lewis'

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Moanlower wrote:I believe the drop in pace from Ferrari has mostly to do with tyre pressures and temps. I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari tried to venture some tyre pressure trick inspired by RBR. If so, driving lower pressures comes with quite a bit more tyre flex which influences the suspension. Dampers would probably have to be adjusted to compensate the different type of bounce and flexing a softer tyre gives. Then you also have to deal with how different the tyre will heat and having trouble getting into the ideal temp window.

It's all hypothetical but it's a bit of a coincidence this 'weird' unexplainable thing with Ferrari happens now. Both Ferrari's were off the pace, Kimi's less, but he did some damage limitation changing his setup after P3. And a slight setup change won't make you suddenly more than a second slower, it will mostly make the car more snappy or less predictable.
i think its purely due to setup with an eye on the cooler temperatures today and it didnt work out for them. both cars did have issues with oversteer during Q3..

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dans79 wrote:
SR71 wrote:Having an upgraded PU compared to your teammate sure pays off!
Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better......
Just like you kept telling yourself in the past that Mercedes is favouring Nico and everything bad happening to Lewis is a conspiracy. =D>

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giantfan10 wrote:
Moanlower wrote:I believe the drop in pace from Ferrari has mostly to do with tyre pressures and temps. I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari tried to venture some tyre pressure trick inspired by RBR. If so, driving lower pressures comes with quite a bit more tyre flex which influences the suspension. Dampers would probably have to be adjusted to compensate the different type of bounce and flexing a softer tyre gives. Then you also have to deal with how different the tyre will heat and having trouble getting into the ideal temp window.

It's all hypothetical but it's a bit of a coincidence this 'weird' unexplainable thing with Ferrari happens now. Both Ferrari's were off the pace, Kimi's less, but he did some damage limitation changing his setup after P3. And a slight setup change won't make you suddenly more than a second slower, it will mostly make the car more snappy or less predictable.
i think its purely due to setup with an eye on the cooler temperatures today and it didnt work out for them. both cars did have issues with oversteer during Q3..
It's hard to believe it was a STRATEGIC GAMBLE. You don't stray as far off as, potentially, A SECOND, due to CONSCIOUS set up variation! It must be something of a mess up and probably done without fully understanding the impact. If it is in fact something they don't understand, then they are going to be chasing the Red Bull diffusers throughout the race. I am trying to recall, when was the last time they were in such a mess for so many races. :shock:

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dans79 wrote:
SR71 wrote:
Keep telling myself that an upgraded and new specification mercedes PU is more powerful than an outdated spec PU that's 4 races old?
Rosberg is the one with a new ICE and MGU-K, all Lewis got is a new MGU-H.
HAM also got a new TC.