2023 Scuderia AlphaTauri F1 Team

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Starscreamer wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 15:18
Williams was a better choice :( poor Nyck he deserve better
Did he deserve better? He is fortunate he had a chance at a seat anyway. Fortunate that albon was out for Monza last year at Williams' best track, fortunate Latifi was so poor, fortunate in terms of lack of RB juniors good enough..

I don't think Williams would have chosen Nyck over Sargeant if they had to make the choice. There is a reason Nyck was passed over when he was F2 Champion and has been waiting in the wings until this year. It was a risky move by Marko and many doubted the decision and didn't pay off. De vries didn't have the ceiling for F1. Not everything can be a fairytale story, and the fact he got a chance on the grid is thanks to RB. No disservice was done

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organic wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 15:26
Starscreamer wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 15:18
Williams was a better choice :( poor Nyck he deserve better
Did he deserve better? He is fortunate he had a chance at a seat anyway. Fortunate that albon was out for Monza last year at Williams' best track, fortunate Latifi was so poor, fortunate in terms of lack of RB juniors good enough..

I don't think Williams would have chosen Nyck over Sargeant if they had to make the choice. There is a reason Nyck was passed over when he was F2 Champion and has been waiting in the wings until this year. It was a risky move by Marko and many doubted the decision and didn't pay off. De vries didn't have the ceiling for F1. Not everything can be a fairytale story, and the fact he got a chance on the grid is thanks to RB. No disservice was done
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Before Williams talked to Sargeant, they talked to Nyck. Nyck then opted for SAT himself.
Subsequently, Williams contacted Sargeant. Nyck was their first choice.
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Wouter wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 16:10
organic wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 15:26
Starscreamer wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 15:18
Williams was a better choice :( poor Nyck he deserve better
Did he deserve better? He is fortunate he had a chance at a seat anyway. Fortunate that albon was out for Monza last year at Williams' best track, fortunate Latifi was so poor, fortunate in terms of lack of RB juniors good enough..

I don't think Williams would have chosen Nyck over Sargeant if they had to make the choice. There is a reason Nyck was passed over when he was F2 Champion and has been waiting in the wings until this year. It was a risky move by Marko and many doubted the decision and didn't pay off. De vries didn't have the ceiling for F1. Not everything can be a fairytale story, and the fact he got a chance on the grid is thanks to RB. No disservice was done
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Before Williams talked to Sargeant, they talked to Nyck. Nyck then opted for SAT himself.
Subsequently, Williams contacted Sargeant. Nyck was their first choice.
Williams would of course have talked to all options... With Sargeant they knew his contract situation and it would be easy but just because they also wanted to consider NDV doesn't mean he is their first choice. If you don't have backups you can be left high and dry like alpine were when piastri snubbed them

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organic wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 16:17
Wouter wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 16:10
organic wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 15:26


Did he deserve better? He is fortunate he had a chance at a seat anyway. Fortunate that albon was out for Monza last year at Williams' best track, fortunate Latifi was so poor, fortunate in terms of lack of RB juniors good enough..

I don't think Williams would have chosen Nyck over Sargeant if they had to make the choice. There is a reason Nyck was passed over when he was F2 Champion and has been waiting in the wings until this year. It was a risky move by Marko and many doubted the decision and didn't pay off. De vries didn't have the ceiling for F1. Not everything can be a fairytale story, and the fact he got a chance on the grid is thanks to RB. No disservice was done
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Before Williams talked to Sargeant, they talked to Nyck. Nyck then opted for SAT himself.
Subsequently, Williams contacted Sargeant. Nyck was their first choice.
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Williams would of course have talked to all options... With Sargeant they knew his contract situation and it would be easy but just because they also wanted to consider NDV doesn't mean he is their first choice.
If you don't have backups you can be left high and dry like alpine were when piastri snubbed them
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Again: Before Williams talked to Sargeant, they talked to Nyck. Nyck then opted for SAT himself.
Subsequently, Williams contacted Sargeant. Nyck was their first choice.
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Scuderia AlphaTauri announces that Daniel Ricciardo will be joining the team on loan from Oracle Red Bull Racing for the remainder of the Formula 1 season, starting from the upcoming Hungarian Grand Prix.

“I’m very pleased to welcome Daniel back into the team,” commented Franz Tost, Scuderia AlphaTauri Team Principal. “There’s no doubt about his driving skills, and he already knows many of us, so his integration will be easy and straight forward. The team will also profit a lot from his experience, as he is an eight-time Formula 1 Grand Prix winner. I would like to thank Nyck for his valuable contribution during his time with Scuderia AlphaTauri and I wish him all the best for the future.”

Daniel Ricciardo said: “I’m stoked to be back on track with the Red Bull family!”
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Wow that was fast...

1.What if this guy outpaces Tsunoda?
2.What if Tsunoda bleaches Ricciardo?

Some nice questions waiting to be answered then...! (Not to mention what if Perez continues his awful form)
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Round 2, FIGHT!

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 16:59
Wow that was fast...

1.What if this guy outpaces Tsunoda?
2.What if Tsunoda bleaches Ricciardo?

Some nice questions waiting to be answered then...! (Not to mention what if Perez continues his awful form)
Certainly feels like an audition for the other Red Bull seat.
Tsunoda outpaces Ricciardo, he's ready.
Ricciardo beats Tsunoda, he's in his groove again, is a multiple race winner...

And Perez needs to start finishing 2nd everywhere, uneventful races.

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So, with Dany going to AT after soaking up car philosophy at RBR, is the intention to lead development feedback towards RB19 feel and performance for STR24?

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They lost a good opportunity to give half a season of learning to Liam Lawson, imho.

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Perez is going down. Next year redbull need an alternative, Ricciardo, in case does good in sat. Is a test

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Rikhart wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 18:13
They lost a good opportunity to give half a season of learning to Liam Lawson, imho.
Isn't he in with a good shot of winning a championship at the moment?

Either way there will likely be a seat for him at Alpha Tauri next season. Danny Ric can go either way and Tsunoda isn't secure forever.

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ME4ME wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 18:58
Rikhart wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 18:13
They lost a good opportunity to give half a season of learning to Liam Lawson, imho.
Isn't he in with a good shot of winning a championship at the moment?

Either way there will likely be a seat for him at Alpha Tauri next season. Danny Ric can go either way and Tsunoda isn't secure forever.
He is? Well if so maybe he want to go for that, no idea how important would a Super Formula championship be for his resume.

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Crazy news but i guess it suits Red Bull, pressure on Perez to perform (surely hes thinking that they got Ric in to see if hes got it?), like others said if Ricc shows hes good he got a chance, Tsunoda gets to test himself vs a race winner

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Wouter wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 16:29
Again: Before Williams talked to Sargeant, they talked to Nyck. Nyck then opted for SAT himself.
Subsequently, Williams contacted Sargeant. Nyck was their first choice.
Nyck made the choice of AlphaTauri for its Red Bull pathway. His decision.

Now Ricciardo aims for Red Bull via AlphaTauri. :)

Rikhart wrote:
11 Jul 2023, 18:13
They lost a good opportunity to give half a season of learning to Liam Lawson, imho.
The promotional value for AlphaTauri, Orlen, Red Bull and Honda is much higher this way one suspects. :wink:

Lawson may still have his AlphaTauri drive in due course. Strong in DTM, strong in Super Formula. I don't understand why Lawson did not put together a championship winning performance in F2 (which would likely have resulted in Lawson already in the AT seat).