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[Sergej]

that's a poor error from Max, could have been a P2/3/4 and now starting 6 with Leclerc win it'll be a big point loss, meh

[Dunlay]

Can they not take Tsunoda and put in Red Bull and see how the year goes while they can continue hunting the second driver? Move Perez to VCARB. Tsunoda is doing a stellar job.

Why so cruel? Want to see another young talented driver with ruined career? and this would happen if he joins Max.
It's very different to perform great in the midfield and perform great alongside Max.

If a driver is talented or not, can only be found out when there is a challenge and you give an opportunity to that driver. If Tsunoda does a good job, he can be confident of achieving higher goals and if not, he can go to another team like Gasly and Albon did. What is so cruel about it?

[Bill]

i knew perez will ruin it for the team he is supposed to be king of street tracks he did well with force india .as for yuki both redbull and visa cash up share same pu and suspension so learning curve will be shorter .these new generation of cars seem to favour young drivers.look at lewis ,alonso

[Elite]

Thoughts on max's final q3 lap avantman?

[bananapeel23]

that's a poor error from Max, could have been a P2/3/4 and now starting 6 with Leclerc win it'll be a big point loss, meh

If Sainz doesn't get a penalty, Ferrari will end up eating over half of the WCC gap assuming nothing happens to Leclerc. If Sainz gets a penalty, Ferrari will still be eating some 21 points out of their 56 point advantage if Leclerc wins.

WCC fight is 100% on at this point. WDC probably requires another Verstappen DNF to truly be on.

[Vanja #66]

Max kissing the wall in that final attempt confirmed he hit the performance wall of the car as well. I was sure they will salvage the Q3 performance again, but there we have it, there really wasn't anything more in that car on these bumps. Good job reaching that level by Max, as expected from 3x Champ.

Back to regular season in Canada

[bananapeel23]

Max kissing the wall in that final attempt confirmed he hit the performance wall of the car as well. I was sure they will salvage the Q3 performance again, but there we have it, there really wasn't anything more in that car on these bumps. Good job reaching that level by Max, as expected from 3x Champ.

Back to regular season in Canada

Don't forget that the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve isn't exactly smooth either. They will be getting some mighty bouncing on the straights at least, but the drivers might just have to live with that since the corners aren't that bumpy.

[Sergej]

really worrying words from Marko

Helmut Marko points out fundamental problem is about matching performance in the simulator

"The fundamental problem is not the circuits. It's that the correlation between the simulator and the track doesn't work. On the simulator we drive over the kerbstones without any problems."

"And then to use a phrase of Max's, the car bounces like a kangaroo, and that's the problem. That's already shown in the set-up for Miami and partly in Imola.

We have to make sure that when we get to real circuits, like Barcelona, that we hopefully find our old form there."

[Dee]

So far, Max's career has mirrored Seb's. Bright early start then crushing performances in a car that suits him to a tee. What happens next? He might end up in the equivalent of the W13 and then look average.

Max is a great driver - one of the greats in the sport. But no one should view any driver through rose-tinted glasses with blinkers fitted too.

Max had just one full year in cars before he joined F1 at 17 years old. Not that he wasn't already very competitive from Day 1, but it shouldn't be surprising it took him a couple more years to really settle in and get into his prime. I think it's a mistake to assume that his current form is only because the car 'suits him to a tee'.

Max is also an elite tier sim racer in GT cars remember, which is an extremely competitive field. It's my impression that Max will be absolutely top tier in F1 up to the point that he loses motivation(and he may retire before it gets to that). He's an absolute machine, not just a driver being flattered by favorable car characteristics.

Sim racing isn't relevant. It's not real, no risk, no actual physical limitations, etc..

Max's real car racing record is what matters and is certainly enough to put him in the pantheon of greats.

Max is not Seb. Max can drive multiple cars with different characteristics on the limit. You say the sim isn't correlated to performance yet F1 teams test their cars performance on a sim. Max winning a GP in an F1 car and a 24Hour endurance race in a GT Porsche within 24 hours shows his adaptability.

Max is the only karter in the history of karting to win a KZ and KF championship in the same year, you need completely different driving styles to win in both as can be seen in this pic/forum https://forums.kartpulse.com/t/kz-drivi ... e-pic/4474 and he was driving nearly every 2nd wkd in each.

[Bill]

is yuki car having the same problem as red bulls since they share the same suspension or is it something that can be tuned to your liking or may be small teams dont have high expectation they just get on with it.redbull is not bad is still third best team here an improvement from last year singapore.

[Dunlay]

Max had just one full year in cars before he joined F1 at 17 years old. Not that he wasn't already very competitive from Day 1, but it shouldn't be surprising it took him a couple more years to really settle in and get into his prime. I think it's a mistake to assume that his current form is only because the car 'suits him to a tee'.

Max is also an elite tier sim racer in GT cars remember, which is an extremely competitive field. It's my impression that Max will be absolutely top tier in F1 up to the point that he loses motivation(and he may retire before it gets to that). He's an absolute machine, not just a driver being flattered by favorable car characteristics.

Sim racing isn't relevant. It's not real, no risk, no actual physical limitations, etc..

Max's real car racing record is what matters and is certainly enough to put him in the pantheon of greats.

Max is not Seb. Max can drive multiple cars with different characteristics on the limit. You say the sim isn't correlated to performance yet F1 teams test their cars performance on a sim. Hence winning a GP in an F1 car and a 24Hour endurance race in a GT Porsche.

Max is the only karter in the history of karting to win a KZ and KF championship in the same year, you need completely different driving styles to win in both as can be seen in this pic/forum https://forums.kartpulse.com/t/kz-drivi ... e-pic/4474 and he was driving nearly every 2nd wkd in each.

One thing that is sure to happen to someone in place of Max, is loss of motivation when he lands in a second best car on the grid. Having driven such dominant cars close to 3 years, there would be no purpose to drive a lesser car and duke it out. It happened to Seb then Lewis and potentially to Max too. Not having a car that can be put on pole week in week out, would bring in frustration, which would cause over driving of the car and losing more performance. It happened to all the legendary drivers. Today was just a glimpse. It may not happen for the remainder of the season. But with still a long career ahead, it's going to be inevitable that he would go through that phase. Will he go through or quit, would remain to be seen. But he has done enough to be counted as one of the greats of all time.

[Vanja #66]

really worrying words from Marko

Helmut Marko points out fundamental problem is about matching performance in the simulator

"The fundamental problem is not the circuits. It's that the correlation between the simulator and the track doesn't work. On the simulator we drive over the kerbstones without any problems."

"And then to use a phrase of Max's, the car bounces like a kangaroo, and that's the problem. That's already shown in the set-up for Miami and partly in Imola.

We have to make sure that when we get to real circuits, like Barcelona, that we hopefully find our old form there."

It's quite clear this is their main issue, Imola confirmed their troubles setting up their car right on bumpy circuits. ATR is just a red herring, they are super efficient with aero development and literally never made mistakes with updates since at least 2009.

The problem of Red Bull right now, if there's any problem at all, should be looked for in their simulator or procedures or input concerning driver simulator in bumpy tracks with quicker corners. They have some issues getting the right setup from the first practice and this leaves them with less time to optimise it. Their biggest advantage was proper suspension/aero integration and now others have gotten to a high level of integration as well.

[Dee]

really worrying words from Marko

Helmut Marko points out fundamental problem is about matching performance in the simulator

"The fundamental problem is not the circuits. It's that the correlation between the simulator and the track doesn't work. On the simulator we drive over the kerbstones without any problems."

"And then to use a phrase of Max's, the car bounces like a kangaroo, and that's the problem. That's already shown in the set-up for Miami and partly in Imola.

We have to make sure that when we get to real circuits, like Barcelona, that we hopefully find our old form there."

It's quite clear this is their main issue, Imola confirmed their troubles setting up their car right on bumpy circuits. ATR is just a red herring, they are super efficient with aero development and literally never made mistakes with updates since at least 2009.

The problem of Red Bull right now, if there's any problem at all, should be looked for in their simulator or procedures or input concerning driver simulator in bumpy tracks with quicker corners. They have some issues getting the right setup from the first practice and this leaves them with less time to optimise it. Their biggest advantage was proper suspension/aero integration and now others have gotten to a high level of integration as well.

Can I ask what ATR means?

[Dee]

Sim racing isn't relevant. It's not real, no risk, no actual physical limitations, etc..

Max's real car racing record is what matters and is certainly enough to put him in the pantheon of greats.

Max is not Seb. Max can drive multiple cars with different characteristics on the limit. You say the sim isn't correlated to performance yet F1 teams test their cars performance on a sim. Hence winning a GP in an F1 car and a 24Hour endurance race in a GT Porsche.

Max is the only karter in the history of karting to win a KZ and KF championship in the same year, you need completely different driving styles to win in both as can be seen in this pic/forum https://forums.kartpulse.com/t/kz-drivi ... e-pic/4474 and he was driving nearly every 2nd wkd in each.

One thing that is sure to happen to someone in place of Max, is loss of motivation when he lands in a second best car on the grid. Having driven such dominant cars close to 3 years, there would be no purpose to drive a lesser car and duke it out. It happened to Seb then Lewis and potentially to Max too. Not having a car that can be put on pole week in week out, would bring in frustration, which would cause over driving of the car and losing more performance. It happened to all the legendary drivers. Today was just a glimpse. It may not happen for the remainder of the season. But with still a long career ahead, it's going to be inevitable that he would go through that phase. Will he go through or quit, would remain to be seen. But he has done enough to be counted as one of the greats of all time.

The reason Max went all out today on that last lap was because he had a chance to get 9 poles in a row, if it was a normal wkd he would have gone for pole but wouldn't have taken as much risk as he did today. That's my own opinion on it but I feel like Max knows the risk/reward in qualifying and is a good judge of where and when to take the big risks.

[Vanja #66]

Can I ask what ATR means?

Aero Testing Restriction

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... jbNRbdYx8a