2023 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Fuel corrected laptimes. Max essentially had no degradation despite how much better his laptimes were than others. There was a lot more possible

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No deg because he was not pushing at all. Maybe saving his engine and even in data collection mode to validate the new parts.
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ringo wrote:
25 Jul 2023, 21:45
No deg because he was not pushing at all. Maybe saving his engine and even in data collection mode to validate the new parts.
He was definitely pushing in the final stint, you can even see it in the fuel corrected lap times. Max is not the kind of guy who just sits idle for an entire race, even if he can.

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Cs98 wrote:
25 Jul 2023, 22:40
ringo wrote:
25 Jul 2023, 21:45
No deg because he was not pushing at all. Maybe saving his engine and even in data collection mode to validate the new parts.
He was definitely pushing in the final stint, you can even see it in the fuel corrected lap times. Max is not the kind of guy who just sits idle for an entire race, even if he can.
The medium is the faster tyre, so it is not clear that he was pushing. GP actually told him to bring it home and still manage tyres in the high speed corners 4 and 11.

What is clear, is where he hit backmarkers.

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Yeah, blue flags not being adhered too right away, by some, and more importantly, marbles pick up. That somehow was wild here. The new compound, the surface, the heat?

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Sieper wrote:
25 Jul 2023, 23:01
Yeah, blue flags not being adhered too right away, by some, and more importantly, marbles pick up. That somehow was wild here. The new compound, the surface, the heat?
They were the 3 softest compounds in the range

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Ah, I had it in mind it were the 3 middle compounds. Thanks.

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Cs98 wrote:
25 Jul 2023, 22:40
ringo wrote:
25 Jul 2023, 21:45
No deg because he was not pushing at all. Maybe saving his engine and even in data collection mode to validate the new parts.
He was definitely pushing in the final stint, you can even see it in the fuel corrected lap times. Max is not the kind of guy who just sits idle for an entire race, even if he can.
Nah, he did one fast lap and then cruised home. amount of management that was going on in hungary was unreal. There was probably some more laptime in it, but just because management is happening it doesn't mean you can go whole lot faster for long without it. It's there for a reason after all.

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26 Jul 2023, 10:29
Nah, he did one fast lap and then cruised home. amount of management that was going on in hungary was unreal. There was probably some more laptime in it, but just because management is happening it doesn't mean you can go whole lot faster for long without it. It's there for a reason after all.
Max wouldn't be that complimentary of the car in the final stint if there was an unreal amount of management going on. He did the fastest lap, let the tyres cool off for a few laps, and then gradually began pushing the pace. He was easily half a second faster than Hamilton who himself was half a second faster than anybody else in the final stint. You can see it in the fuel corrected lap times that are 0,5-1s faster than they were in the first two stints.

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According to Marko, Max was cruising,

'Marko : That's true, we're way ahead in race trim. Max actually could have driven even faster, he wasn't at the limit by a long shot.'

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Cs98 wrote:
26 Jul 2023, 10:44
Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2023, 10:29
Nah, he did one fast lap and then cruised home. amount of management that was going on in hungary was unreal. There was probably some more laptime in it, but just because management is happening it doesn't mean you can go whole lot faster for long without it. It's there for a reason after all.
Max wouldn't be that complimentary of the car in the final stint if there was an unreal amount of management going on. He did the fastest lap, let the tyres cool off for a few laps, and then gradually began pushing the pace. He was easily half a second faster than Hamilton who himself was half a second faster than anybody else in the final stint. You can see it in the fuel corrected lap times that are 0,5-1s faster than they were in the first two stints.
Being complimentary about car balance does not mean he was pushing. Marko said there was a lot more in it, GP mentioned to bring it home. There was no reason to fully push the tyres.

He probably had 1 or 2 tenths more in it which meant he was 0.7s faster than Hamilton when they were in free air. Hence Toto's remark about RB being f1 and rest f2.

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Cassius wrote:
26 Jul 2023, 11:32
Cs98 wrote:
26 Jul 2023, 10:44
Juzh wrote:
26 Jul 2023, 10:29
Nah, he did one fast lap and then cruised home. amount of management that was going on in hungary was unreal. There was probably some more laptime in it, but just because management is happening it doesn't mean you can go whole lot faster for long without it. It's there for a reason after all.
Max wouldn't be that complimentary of the car in the final stint if there was an unreal amount of management going on. He did the fastest lap, let the tyres cool off for a few laps, and then gradually began pushing the pace. He was easily half a second faster than Hamilton who himself was half a second faster than anybody else in the final stint. You can see it in the fuel corrected lap times that are 0,5-1s faster than they were in the first two stints.
Being complimentary about car balance does not mean he was pushing. Marko said there was a lot more in it, GP mentioned to bring it home. There was no reason to fully push the tyres.

He probably had 1 or 2 tenths more in it which meant he was 0.7s faster than Hamilton when they were in free air. Hence Toto's remark about RB being f1 and rest f2.
During the first two stints there was certainly a lot of management hence Marko's comments. But during the last stint it was reduced as they realised deg was lower than expected. Not saying he was on the bleeding edge, but he pushed the car a bit more. Clearly observable in the data.

GP coming on the radio saying "bring it home" is usually an indication he thinks Max is taking unnecessary risk (pushing too much), not that he's taking it easy.

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Yes GP said bring it home after max did a lap that was about 2s faster than others' laptimes at the time. GP always says to just bring it home after max does his FL attempt

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I think he's hinting at the cooling upgrade triggering an efficiency improvement which will be more apparent on the faster circuits like Spa, Monza, etc.
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Be interesting if they are using the hot air from say coolers/radiators in the sidepods to feed the hotter air to the diffuser. A bit like a crude blown diffuser.