2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Dee]

No, the lack of answer is because we literally don't know. It could just be that Charles found a setup he likes while Lewis hasn't yet.

Hamilton's setup is based on a stable rear end, it has been a fundamental basis in setup in all of his successful cars so far.. that is why he hasn't found a setup that works for him yet, it fits very well with your theory also.

I doubt there is a single driver on the grid who wouldn't like a stable rear end so I guess you are saying that HAM can't deal with not having that as well someone like LEC?

Wouldn't both be able to go faster with a strong rear end? Or is this not proportional somehow...

Exactly, Lewis can't deal with a loose rear as well as Charles and that is why he has been slower in race pace in the main races and qualifying.

There is no broken part, no mechanical deficiency, the cars are exactly the same but just not to his liking.

Just today he talked about the rear, "we have upgrades coming... hopefully on my end the rear gets better" https://streamin.me/v/8ce14e44#google_vignette

[ringo]

no pictures of updated parts?

Might not see the cars until tomorrow

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoLt4HNWkAA ... name=small

FIA micro managing i see. I guess this is done for Liberty Media and sponsors.

About Binotto. I think it is unfair to say he was horrible. I do not know where that narrative came from, but it seems in modern F1 the viewership is very polarizing. Binnotto did a decent job in my eyes. Not sure wherw there were fatal mistakes made by him. I have seen worse falls from grace at Williams, Redbull, McLaren, Mercedes.

[CjC]

There a pictures of the new parts in the Ferrari car thread

[catent]

Ferrari mechanics publicly hanging with their former (divisive & incompetent) TP, the same TP who adored Seb & Carlos but didn’t care for Leclerc.

And yet I’m insane for suggesting the mechanics on Leclerc’s side of the garage may not have his best interests in mind?

Where there’s smoke …

While he was a terrible TP, we have no idea what the personal relationship was like between him and the rest of the team members. I think it's a bit unfair to say anyone speaking to him must be conspiring against Ferrari. Leclerc himself was seen chatting with him a few months ago. Have you never had an incompetent boss you didn't get along with professionally, but you liked them as a person?

I still think Leclerc's mechanics are just bad. Not maliciously so... just not good at their jobs. The truth is likely more mundane than any of us are hoping for.

I think laziness/incompetence by mechanics and a lack of regard for your driver aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

I highly doubt Leclerc’s mechanics are devising meticulously crafted plots to sabotage him.

However, I do think that if these mechanics aren’t the most engaged/motivated/focused/detailed to begin with, those traits very much could be exacerbated by working for a driver one doesn’t hold in high regard.

On the flip side, a mechanic may be motivated and pushed to perform better by working with a driver they think highly of.

[Dee]

Ferrari mechanics publicly hanging with their former (divisive & incompetent) TP, the same TP who adored Seb & Carlos but didn’t care for Leclerc.

And yet I’m insane for suggesting the mechanics on Leclerc’s side of the garage may not have his best interests in mind?

Where there’s smoke …

While he was a terrible TP, we have no idea what the personal relationship was like between him and the rest of the team members. I think it's a bit unfair to say anyone speaking to him must be conspiring against Ferrari. Leclerc himself was seen chatting with him a few months ago. Have you never had an incompetent boss you didn't get along with professionally, but you liked them as a person?

I still think Leclerc's mechanics are just bad. Not maliciously so... just not good at their jobs. The truth is likely more mundane than any of us are hoping for.

I think laziness/incompetence by mechanics and a lack of regard for your driver aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

I highly doubt Leclerc’s mechanics are devising meticulously crafted plots to sabotage him.

However, I do think that if these mechanics aren’t the most engaged/motivated/focused/detailed to begin with, those traits very much could be exacerbated by working for a driver one doesn’t hold in high regard.

On the flip side, a mechanic may be motivated and pushed to perform better by working with a driver they think highly of.

Lets just say I have lots to say about this take, but saying nothing is more powerful.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I highly doubt Leclerc’s mechanics are devising meticulously crafted plots to sabotage him.

However, I do think that if these mechanics aren’t the most engaged/motivated/focused/detailed to begin with, those traits very much could be exacerbated by working for a driver one doesn’t hold in high regard.

On the flip side, a mechanic may be motivated and pushed to perform better by working with a driver they think highly of.

I really, really don't think the issue is that Leclerc's mechanics don't respect him enough. Have you seen any video of his garage together? They adore him.

The issue is the same as always - which is that Ferrari hires primarily within the Italian speaking sphere, therefore greatly reducing their talent pool compared to other teams.

[catent]

While he was a terrible TP, we have no idea what the personal relationship was like between him and the rest of the team members. I think it's a bit unfair to say anyone speaking to him must be conspiring against Ferrari. Leclerc himself was seen chatting with him a few months ago. Have you never had an incompetent boss you didn't get along with professionally, but you liked them as a person?

I still think Leclerc's mechanics are just bad. Not maliciously so... just not good at their jobs. The truth is likely more mundane than any of us are hoping for.

I think laziness/incompetence by mechanics and a lack of regard for your driver aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

I highly doubt Leclerc’s mechanics are devising meticulously crafted plots to sabotage him.

However, I do think that if these mechanics aren’t the most engaged/motivated/focused/detailed to begin with, those traits very much could be exacerbated by working for a driver one doesn’t hold in high regard.

On the flip side, a mechanic may be motivated and pushed to perform better by working with a driver they think highly of.

Lets just say I have lots to say about this take, but saying nothing is more powerful.

No, it’s not more powerful because I have no clue what you think my “take” is and what your thoughts are.

How do you reconcile the frequent issues Leclerc has had with his car (new parts improperly installed far too frequently), at far, far greater rates than the other Ferrari, let alone any other car on the grid.

I agree that Leclerc’s mechanics actively sabotaging him is conspiratorial and unlikely. So we can get that out of the way.

I also think it’s entirely reasonable to question the competence of Leclerc’s mechanics at this point given the aforementioned constant issues.

Do you disagree that mechanics can vary in skill, attention to detail, and engagement? Do you disagree that mechanics are going to be more/less inclined to work for a driver they do/don’t think highly of?

[SoulPancake13]

I don't see how you or I could properly ascertain the skill of any mechanic in F1 from the outside. Sometimes, bad luck is just bad luck...

As for the upgrades the team brought, they look pretty hefty for race 4 of the season. Hoping we can be within a tenth or so of McLaren but let's wait and see. Interesting to me how it seems they got rid of the kick in the diffuser keel.

[Seanspeed]

Lets just say I have lots to say about this take, but saying nothing is more powerful.

This might be the most hilarious post I've ever seen on any kind of forum dedicated to detail and analysis.

What self awareness you have to push a nonsense conspiracy theory without being more forthright about it.

[ScuderiaLeo]

I don't see how you or I could properly ascertain the skill of any mechanic in F1 from the outside. Sometimes, bad luck is just bad luck...

As for the upgrades the team brought, they look pretty hefty for race 4 of the season. Hoping we can be within a tenth or so of McLaren but let's wait and see. Interesting to me how it seems they got rid of the kick in the diffuser keel.

Bad luck stems from somewhere... it's not like Leclerc's drinking bottle magically appears in the car not working half the time. Someone puts it there incorrectly.

I'm not saying there's some big conspiracy, just that it's reasonable to assume the guy known for having "bad luck" might just have a less competent garage.

When this was brought up last season it wasn't seen as anything crazy, so I'm not sure why it's being treated as something new or outlandish now (other than the implication that Leclerc's mechanics don't like him, which in my opinion is bogus.)

[Dee]

Lets just say I have lots to say about this take, but saying nothing is more powerful.

This might be the most hilarious post I've ever seen on any kind of forum dedicated to detail and analysis.

What self awareness you have to push a nonsense conspiracy theory without being more forthright about it.

I very much do not support the theory.

[venkyhere]

This thread is pure hollywood.

[ringo]

The Mechanics can't be blamed. The factory and their quality control is more responsible and eveb then it will just boil down to bad luck because quality control is based on sampling and statistics.
If the wheels literally fall off or a there was a water leak from a loose connection maybe then the mechanics. But parts failure is more a manufacturing defect. Just bad luck.

[catent]

I’ve now said 2-3 times, if I remember correctly, that active sabotage by Leclerc’s mechanics is conspiratorial unlikely (even if I’ve indulged the thought aloud; sorry if that was seen as being in poor taste).

That aside, are any of the posters mocking/belittling the expressed dissatisfaction with Leclerc’s garage, willing to engage with the reality that Leclerc has had an unusually large % of issues with his car / side of the garage over the years?

[venkyhere]

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence"
- Napoleon Bonaparte