[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Mclaren in my opinion is the fastest team in development. Look at how much we are closing the gap each year to the front. Those copycats can't possible be able to develop that car too much more. On the other hand our car has started from a zero base and can give us a huge development and definately leagues more than Racing Point.

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fouad1979 wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:05
Ground Effect wrote: Not sure, I think we can only beat them on strategy, for now. Like Norris said, they’re fast everywhere.
Yes, the RP’s are fast everywhere... And we should expect a rough Hungary GP... But it still early to make assessments in regards to pace, but the fact that we are close to them means that “If” we are behind, we could make the jump forward with development... If there is a difference, it doesn’t feel as huge one.

Also, with the teams been so close, the drivers are making a difference and we have a very good line-up


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Our drivers are stronger for sure we just need some more upgrades to beat the pink everywhere
I believe that there is a good probability that the team can make that jump through development... RP is a great team and they are learning about the W10, so they should also be able to improve it, but I would put my money on Mclaren “outdeveloping” them through the season.

With a high downforce race coming up next weekend, it will be interesting to see if the current performance and the gaps that seem to exist between the teams are still there or there are big changes... Zak’s comments, which are very cautious seems to indicate that we still don’t know how the performance compares in a different type of circuit... Racing Point was very good on the slow sections of Barcelona during testing and the W10 was very fast in Hungary last year, so I wouldn’t be surprised if RP are strong next week also.

We can only wait, but Hungary is a race that doesn’t allow many overtakes, hopefully our one lap pace helps get the team in a good position towards the race.


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Darth-Piekus wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:16
Mclaren in my opinion is the fastest team in development. Look at how much we are closing the gap each year to the front. Those copycats can't possible be able to develop that car too much more. On the other hand our car has started from a zero base and can give us a huge development and definately leagues more than Racing Point.
Well the copycats as u name them can be developed 2 so we just have to be careful and produce effective parts cause this weekend we tweaked the car and i dont think we get faster by doin it

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SmallSoldier wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:19
fouad1979 wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:05

Yes, the RP’s are fast everywhere... And we should expect a rough Hungary GP... But it still early to make assessments in regards to pace, but the fact that we are close to them means that “If” we are behind, we could make the jump forward with development... If there is a difference, it doesn’t feel as huge one.

Also, with the teams been so close, the drivers are making a difference and we have a very good line-up


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Our drivers are stronger for sure we just need some more upgrades to beat the pink everywhere
I believe that there is a good probability that the team can make that jump through development... RP is a great team and they are learning about the W10, so they should also be able to improve it, but I would put my money on Mclaren “outdeveloping” them through the season.

With a high downforce race coming up next weekend, it will be interesting to see if the current performance and the gaps that seem to exist between the teams are still there or there are big changes... Zak’s comments, which are very cautious seems to indicate that we still don’t know how the performance compares in a different type of circuit... Racing Point was very good on the slow sections of Barcelona during testing and the W10 was very fast in Hungary last year, so I wouldn’t be surprised if RP are strong next week also.

We can only wait, but Hungary is a race that doesn’t allow many overtakes, hopefully our one lap pace helps get the team in a good position towards the race.


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What worry me is we were slower this week and all our rivals went faster we must progress not regress and also in the pits we must improve the redbull today in the pits were impressive
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fouad1979 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:21
Well the copycats as u name them can be developed 2 so we just have to be careful and produce effective parts cause this weekend we tweaked the car and i dont think we get faster by doin it
Problem I see that Racing Point will have is that they developed their car based on W10 and now they are copying W11 designs and strapping them onto W10 base. This might work partially but probably won't work as good as it should. I doubt they can copy over entire chassis and deploy a pink W11. This will mean that they will have a hybrid car that is a dead end development wise.

And as wet qualifying showed, they are still pretty clueless how to setup the car. This was mitigated here as it is the second race on the same track (other teams usually have carryover concept from the year before, so they know how to setup the car).

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Another example of the importance of team spirit.
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In hindsight, a better pitstop for Sainz would’ve meant he could’ve took it a bit easy on the subsequent 2 laps instead of fighting Grosjean and Perez. That wouldn’t have destroyed his tyres so early and we probably could have got 5th and 6th.
Regardless, I’m glad we lost only a single point to RP this weekend when it seemed much worse.

SmallSoldier wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:05
... And we should expect a rough Hungary GP...
I actually think Hungary will be good to us. The car is looking good on lighter fuel and if we qualify well, we can easily hold track position. Also, some of the Mercedes power advantage would be nullified, though I don’t think it is much.

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Jolle wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 16:21
Like Zak Brown said after winter testing: Going to be a difficult year, probably behind Renault and RP looks fast.
For record, he said "possibly". He did not say probably. Similar words with very different expectations.

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fouad1979 wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:19
fouad1979 wrote: Our drivers are stronger for sure we just need some more upgrades to beat the pink everywhere
I believe that there is a good probability that the team can make that jump through development... RP is a great team and they are learning about the W10, so they should also be able to improve it, but I would put my money on Mclaren “outdeveloping” them through the season.

With a high downforce race coming up next weekend, it will be interesting to see if the current performance and the gaps that seem to exist between the teams are still there or there are big changes... Zak’s comments, which are very cautious seems to indicate that we still don’t know how the performance compares in a different type of circuit... Racing Point was very good on the slow sections of Barcelona during testing and the W10 was very fast in Hungary last year, so I wouldn’t be surprised if RP are strong next week also.

We can only wait, but Hungary is a race that doesn’t allow many overtakes, hopefully our one lap pace helps get the team in a good position towards the race.


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What worry me is we were slower this week and all our rivals went faster we must progress not regress and also in the pits we must improve the redbull today in the pits were impressive
Different track conditions... The track was cooler and greener compared to last week and that could have had an effect on performance.

Also, they went for a very long stint on Softs (Lando pulled 40+ laps on that compound), which could also explain their first stint performance.

Carlos on the other hand, was keeping a decent gap to Albon, who wasn’t running away from Carlos during the first stint and if not for the bad PitStop, he would have been in front of both RP’s and RIC at the beginning of the second stint.


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Mansell89 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 16:40
What a last lap from Lando- brilliant again from the team on strategy and making the right call to let him through.

Racing Point showed their pace and we know we have a massive challenge on our hands but so pleased we have come out with the points we have having executed excellent race days.
How soon we forget how we screw Sainz's race? Sainz could have fought will Albon.

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diffuser wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 17:38
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12 Jul 2020, 16:40
What a last lap from Lando- brilliant again from the team on strategy and making the right call to let him through.

Racing Point showed their pace and we know we have a massive challenge on our hands but so pleased we have come out with the points we have having executed excellent race days.
How soon we forget how we screw Sainz's race? Sainz could have fought will Albon.
If he was quick enough for that Lando would not have caught him. It was team work, and well done to Carlos for it.
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fouad1979 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 16:43
What a race from lando but we were more than 1 s slower than mercedes and Redbull and Perez was faster than us we have a lot to improve
Don't go crazys with Norris's race. Alot of it was just circumstances. No contact between Perez/Albon and the incident between Stroll/Ricardo, he probably just makes up 1 place. Yes he did a good job and got some help from Sainz.

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Good race by Lando Norris! I'm impressed, I had my doubts in his last year in F2, but looks like he's getting the upper hand over his teammate! Bit lucky again with the cars around them, but the points remain the same :-)

I do think the last pitstop for Sainz might have cost them points, he was too far back when the pink and yellow cars decided to explore the edges of the track.

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fouad1979 wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 16:44
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12 Jul 2020, 16:41
If we can’t fix our race pace/high fuel pace quickly, then we can’t afford to have pit stops like today. That should be easier to take care of.
Yes we have a problem i was surprised we were more than 1s slower
Not sure why you think our high fuel pace is an issue. We were 5th, that's best of the rest. Our car isn't faster than RBR, We get close with Albon driving but that's about it. Sainz let him past cause we weren't racing them.

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What a last few laps .... crazy!!! But lets be real, race pace was not great today and both pit stops were slow, a lot of improvement is needed if we want to fight for 3rd or 4th in the constructors this year.
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