USF1 -- F1's All-American Challenger

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Surely the FIA must have a best-before-date on granted "entries", why PeeWee and AndyPandy have zip in reality.

A very naive Hurley was taken and lost some money, but hardly more than 10 MUSD. He'll live.
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An expected twist in the USF1 saga
SPEEDtv.com has learned that the struggling start-up USF1 Formula 1 team has formally petitioned the FIA to defer the team's entry into the sport until 2011.
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An expected twist in the USF1 saga.
SPEEDtv.com has learned that the struggling start-up USF1 Formula 1 team has formally petitioned the FIA to defer the team's entry into the sport until 2011.
As this is following Charlie's visit to USF1 one would be inclined to think that this solution was actually proposed by the FIA. In conjunction with the information that Stefan GP will not be allowed to race it would make sense.

The FiA cannot allow Stefan to take a license in 2010 if they intend to return that license to USF1 next year. It would create a royal mess. So I expect now that we will have 12 teams at most races this year. Bahrain will probably run with 11 teams as Campos should realistically not be there.
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WhiteBlue wrote:An expected twist in the USF1 saga
SPEEDtv.com has learned that the struggling start-up USF1 Formula 1 team has formally petitioned the FIA to defer the team's entry into the sport until 2011.
Yeah right, I'm sure they gonna be in much better shape a year from now with all the credibility gained.

I'm gonna make a bid on that nose - broken of course... :lol:
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xpensive wrote:Yeah right, I'm sure they gonna be in much better shape a year from now with all the credibility gained.
Team principals Ken Anderson and Chad Hurley have offered to post a “substantial, seven-figure” surety bond as proof of their intentions to race next year.
It should be noted that Chad Hurley has apparently been promoted to team principal following the break down of talks with Campos and Stefanovic. It also seems that new cash is available for an FiA surety bond. This seems to indicate that equity within the team has changed and Hurley is now finally prepared to finance the team with a view to race 2011.
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Here's the stupid part.

Stefan has come upon a cheap, ready-to-go car. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. They aren't going to have a car next year, or ever again. They also are even more ill-equipped to design and field a new car for next season than any of the new teams were this season.

The team truly has a one-year shelf life.

Does everyone not realize that running the Toyota cars under the USF1 entry this year is by far the most beneficial way to go? Stefan is going to lose big, USF1 stands to lose very big if they don't get a 2011 deferral.

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The FOZ wrote:Does everyone not realize that running the Toyota cars under the USF1 entry this year is by far the most beneficial way to go? Stefan is going to lose big, USF1 stands to lose very big if they don't get a 2011 deferral.
The Toyota solution had only worked for USF1 if Stefanovic had been prepared to become a minority share holder and hand the assets over to USF1. That wasn't a very probable solution to begin.
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WhiteBlue wrote:
The FOZ wrote:Does everyone not realize that running the Toyota cars under the USF1 entry this year is by far the most beneficial way to go? Stefan is going to lose big, USF1 stands to lose very big if they don't get a 2011 deferral.
The Toyota solution had only worked for USF1 if Stefanovic had been prepared to become a minority share holder and hand the assets over to USF1. That wasn't a very probable solution to begin.
Which would you prefer? Minority shareholder in a team with a 1-year shelf life, or majority shareholder in a worthless enterprise that's already cost millions?

Stefanovich should be trying to gain a permanent minority stake in USF1 in exchange for a rescue line this season.

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I think that any option for USF1 Stefan coop has been binned. There is no synergy as long as there are two team managements. The only solution is a sale of assets. Since the license cannot be sold without consent by FiA and FOTA the only option was the sale of the ex Toyota car + support. But that would have given Mr. Stefanivic only a very small share in a foreign team and no Serbian team. Again, no win win, rather loose loose.
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Fine, but if what we're hearing is correct, there is NO WIN for Stefan. None. Either they're living in a dream world, or they know something we don't.

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The FOZ wrote:Fine, but if what we're hearing is correct, there is NO WIN for Stefan. None. Either they're living in a dream world, or they know something we don't.
It's the former. Can't see a way in. If they did, the FIA would invite even greater scrutiny of their process since Lola, Prodrive, etc. all have just as much right to that spot as Stefan.

Just because Stefan has a car doesn't move them to the front of the line. I think Lola had one as well, look how that turned out.
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I think FIA will announce the new selection process. They will try very hard to find someone even more useless for 2011.

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I rather think they will accept USF1's petition and leave their slot empty for 2010. Having two more teams on the grid that can develop and one more next year is a success. Unless there is a failure this year there will be no more controversial team selections to do.
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In case you missed there was a failure this year. Two in fact. 3 if you take FIA into account, although that one happened last year. One team will not make it, there other has big problems.

PS: off the top of my head I can think of at least 4 organisations that are more likely to be prepared for 2011 than USF1.

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Pandamasque wrote:PS: off the top of my head I can think of at least 4 organisations that are more likely to be prepared for 2011 than USF1.
People tend to remember only Prodrive and Lola when talking about 2010 applicants who would've made much better sense than the disastrous USF1 and Campos entries. But let's not forget about this other reject who would've probably done an equal (if not better) job than Virgin and Lotus.
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