2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[SoulPancake13]

no matter how he drove the tires, Hamilton made a mistake in sector 3, he showed 23.6 there, it seems, which is worse than his best 23.0, Leclerc showed 22.8, so Hamilton was a lot behind in sector 3 and could have shown a close time to McLaren

That was my point, it's not likely Lewis would finish a lap that was any better than Leclerc's lap because he was struggling on the last 2 corners the entire session.

He had lost his entire advantage out of T13 already, before making the mistake in T14 that put him so low in the time sheets.
https://i.imgur.com/v7Wqr7M.png

Cars were falling off the track in the last corner. The track seems very green. I suspect Lewis is pushing hard up to and over the limit to guide the setup of the car. Maybe the tweak things back a little to get it on the edge in terms of under/over steer. The race is also a night race right?
practice 3 may reveal more of the "improvement".

FP3 is totally unrepresentative again because of the time of day during laps. The only improvements from Friday to Saturday will be shown in qualy, and even then, there is just 0 way they can catch up to McLaren this weekend who will also make improvements.

[Chuckjr]

I think it's pretty obvious Macca isn't showing their hand and running at lower PU mapping to keep it close which only helps their tire deg. The fact Lewis was dumping the last corner repeatedly shows he's giving it all he's got and the car can't hold the whole lap, and obviously Chuck is showing the honest reality in that interview posted above. So the time difference is likely worse. The drinks issue for Chuck is completely inexcusable. I cannot believe a team like this is still struggling to get that right. Come on Ferrari! Act like champions!! Good grief!!!

[ringo]

They should just take the bottle from the Haas or Sauber. Maybe it's an Italian bottle supplier that they committed to give the contract to.

McLaren are so far ahead despite all these upgrades. It's quite daunting.

The next set of upgrades should be the sidepods and engine cover philosophy. They sidepods are too wide at the base.
We can see the double floor concept being employed by McLaren and Mercedes and it's working quite well for them.

Nonetheless, let's see how the weekend evolves. The next challenge is nailing the setup.
I am skeptical about Lewis' direction on setup and even Charles'. Charles just looks like he's tired of struggling.

[ScuderiaLeo]

They should just take the bottle from the Haas or Sauber. Maybe it's an Italian bottle supplier that they committed to give the contract to.

McLaren are so far ahead despite all these upgrades. It's quite daunting.

The next set of upgrades should be the sidepods and engine cover philosophy. They sidepods are too wide at the base.
We can see the double floor concept being employed by McLaren and Mercedes and it's working quite well for them.

Nonetheless, let's see how the weekend evolves. The next challenge is nailing the setup.
I am skeptical about Lewis' direction on setup and even Charles'. Charles just looks like he's tired of struggling.

"The next set of upgrades" implies there's another substantial set coming...

If Bahrain and Jeddah are both disappointments, it seems there's a high chance they'll just move on from 2025 and only bring small improvements for the rest of the year.

[ringo]

I don't count these upgrades as the mid season upgrades. These were in the oven beforw the season started i beleive.
There maybe be one last shot left in the chamber before switching to 2026.
24 races just makes it too foolish to give up at race 4. They can at least go to race 10 to get a good picture of how big or small the gap is to Mclaren.

[venkyhere]

We can see the double floor concept being employed by McLaren and Mercedes and it's working quite well for them.

Wow. Perhaps I'm late and hence hearing this for the first time. Kindly elaborate what this is, or point to the post that describes this, thanks in advance.

[Xyz22]

This new narrative that McL is doing something strange with the tyres is hilarious. They simply have more downforce that can be "used" by the drivers thanks to an excellent overall balance. By having significant amount of downforce they are sliding less and therefore keeping the tyres temp in check better than the others.

The same thing was happening with the RB19.

[bluechris]

This new narrative that McL is doing something strange with the tyres is hilarious. They simply have more downforce that can be "used" by the drivers thanks to an excellent overall balance. By having significant amount of downforce they are sliding less and therefore keeping the tyres temp in check better than the others.

The same thing was happening with the RB19.

In specific they have less downforce in high speed and more in low speed with their Flexilego of a car. Its up to us to be on it fast if first we fix the current problem's.

[f1isgood]

They should just take the bottle from the Haas or Sauber. Maybe it's an Italian bottle supplier that they committed to give the contract to.

McLaren are so far ahead despite all these upgrades. It's quite daunting.

The next set of upgrades should be the sidepods and engine cover philosophy. They sidepods are too wide at the base.
We can see the double floor concept being employed by McLaren and Mercedes and it's working quite well for them.

Nonetheless, let's see how the weekend evolves. The next challenge is nailing the setup.
I am skeptical about Lewis' direction on setup and even Charles'. Charles just looks like he's tired of struggling.

"The next set of upgrades" implies there's another substantial set coming...

If Bahrain and Jeddah are both disappointments, it seems there's a high chance they'll just move on from 2025 and only bring small improvements for the rest of the year.

I honestly hope teams if they are within 2 tenths or something try to not do this if they believe there are wins to be gained and even titles to be fought. Indeed if Ferrari are way behind, then move on to 2026 but as far as 2025 goes it reminds me of 2021, where Red Bull moved probably the last to 2022 and still nailed the regulations. It's always a gamble IMO, and if you can win this, you should probably give it a fair shot before moving on.

[atanatizante]

In his fastest lap he made a mistake out of the last corner, however Lewis was struggling in T13 & T14 the entire session (actually in FP1 as well, but didn't have a proper reference in the other car so I assumed it was just the car not working well in hot temps).

Even on earlier laps, whenever he was faster than Leclerc, he was still losing 2-4 tenths in the last corners. Charles was managing tire condition much better for the end of the lap.

no matter how he drove the tires, Hamilton made a mistake in sector 3, he showed 23.6 there, it seems, which is worse than his best 23.0, Leclerc showed 22.8, so Hamilton was a lot behind in sector 3 and could have shown a close time to McLaren

That was my point, it's not likely Lewis would finish a lap that was any better than Leclerc's lap because he was struggling on the last 2 corners the entire session.

He had lost his entire advantage out of T13 already, before making the mistake in T14 that put him so low in the time sheets.
https://i.imgur.com/v7Wqr7M.png

Maybe this could explain the 0.5 sec deficit ...

[atanatizante]

Nobody looks exceptional with deg.
In fact, the redbulls on M/S don't look any worse than others, similar/less deterioration.

Yes, deg was really bad for everyone. Track condition is not kind on these tires. Mediums did fine, but softs suffer a lot.

[Emag]

no matter how he drove the tires, Hamilton made a mistake in sector 3, he showed 23.6 there, it seems, which is worse than his best 23.0, Leclerc showed 22.8, so Hamilton was a lot behind in sector 3 and could have shown a close time to McLaren

That was my point, it's not likely Lewis would finish a lap that was any better than Leclerc's lap because he was struggling on the last 2 corners the entire session.

He had lost his entire advantage out of T13 already, before making the mistake in T14 that put him so low in the time sheets.
https://i.imgur.com/v7Wqr7M.png

Maybe this could explain the 0.5 sec deficit ...

https://postimg.cc/t71v30wV

I think I mentioned multiple times by now that in his fast lap at the end he made a mistake out of the last corner. The point was that he was losing on the last two corners to Leclerc the whole session anyway. He had already lost the entire advantage he made on Leclerc's lap out of T13 already and even if he matched Leclerc out of the final corner and didn't make a mistake (unlikely, as there wasn't a single lap Lewis did in which he was better at Leclerc out of T14), he would still be pretty much at the same laptime as Leclerc.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Looks like heavy, heavy winds today. Various sites are putting it at 40-55kph. I'm worried this will only make the car's understeering issue worse, particularly for Hamilton. I really hope Ferrari found something overnight...

[ringo]

We can see the double floor concept being employed by McLaren and Mercedes and it's working quite well for them.

Wow. Perhaps I'm late and hence hearing this for the first time. Kindly elaborate what this is, or point to the post that describes this, thanks in advance.

My use of the words "double floor" is misleading, It's a loose term when the undercut between the side pod and the top of the floor goes all the way almost to the chassis from front to back, leaving an undercroft below the side pods. It was a design feature back in the day with Torro Rosso and further back with the Ferrari F92A.
If we look on McLaren from the front, it is quite striking in how sucked in the undercut is. W16 is also as extreme, theyre basically semi zeropod cars at the waistline.
This maybe the next step for teams like Ferrari to take to further evolve their concepts.

[IntrinsicVoid]

Even though its FP3 conditions, the car is dreadful to drive.