Vettel vs Ricciardo 2014

[alexx_88]

First step for Vettel would be to beat his teammate. Ricciardo beat Vergne in the second part of the 2013 season when the latter was severely demoralized to miss the RB drive. Before that, things were pretty much even, especially considering that Vergne had twice as many retirements as Ric. Right now, it's either that Vettel, Ric, Vergne and, apparently, Kvyiat are world class driver material, or they are just good drivers, with the equipment playing a large role in how their image is shaped up.

As for Alonso, he is severely beating Kimi right now, one driver who was touted to be a very tough one to beat and the way he drove the whole 2012 season does it for me. He made very few mistakes, and consistently made the most of the chances offered to put the car into regular podium finishes.

[Cam]

Similarly, Vettel has a superior record to Senna. He has a better record than any of his current contemporaries.Yet why is he not revered as highly as Alonso, or Hamilton?

For the same reason some people 'know' man has never walked on the moon - ignorance. IMO.

[FoxHound]

Now you look at Messi or Ronaldo. When those chips are down, these guys come up with the goods more often than not. They create something, by force of will, skill, or by luck or whatever.....something happens.
By looking at how things have been won, accounting for all the factors, Ronaldo and Messi are on a completely different planet to Mr Van Nistelrooy. And that is not a slight on the guy as his record was fantastic.

Meh. This season Ronaldo and especially Messi underperformed. Imo in terms of visual performance they got Zlatan'd.

Vettel looks at the moment like Messi: not finding his comfort zone. I still have to see one single driver comparable to Ibrahimovic this season. Alonso in 2012 came close.

Ronaldo had a crazy season up until his injury 3/4 weeks ago. 60 goals in 55 games aint bad....and Zlatan had his chance against Ronaldo..... and well....it was like a man against boys.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXwBgcYB85Y[/youtube]

Similarly, Vettel has a superior record to Senna. He has a better record than any of his current contemporaries.Yet why is he not revered as highly as Alonso, or Hamilton?

For the same reason some people 'know' man has never walked on the moon - ignorance. IMO.

Why compare a factual event to subjective discussion and then claim ignorance?

There lies a bit of irony, or was that intentional...

[djos]

First step for Vettel would be to beat his teammate. Ricciardo beat Vergne in the second part of the 2013 season when the latter was severely demoralized to miss the RB drive. Before that, things were pretty much even, especially considering that Vergne had twice as many retirements as Ric.

Dan had 3 retirements to Jev's 5, not exactly big numbers for either of them!

[Juzh]

First step for Vettel would be to beat his teammate. Ricciardo beat Vergne in the second part of the 2013 season when the latter was severely demoralized to miss the RB drive. Before that, things were pretty much even, especially considering that Vergne had twice as many retirements as Ric.

Dan had 3 retirements to Jev's 5, not exactly big numbers for either of them!

3 is is a lot, 5 is massive. thats more than 1/4 of the races he's retired from. Maybe you should try and be objective sometimes.

[aral]

First step for Vettel would be to beat his teammate. Ricciardo beat Vergne in the second part of the 2013 season when the latter was severely demoralized to miss the RB drive. Before that, things were pretty much even, especially considering that Vergne had twice as many retirements as Ric.

Dan had 3 retirements to Jev's 5, not exactly big numbers for either of them!

3 is is a lot, 5 is massive. thats more than 1/4 of the races he's retired from. Maybe you should try and be objective sometimes.

And remember, vergnes retirements came about, generally, when he was well placed in the points and ahead of dr on track.

[PlatinumZealot]

I completely agree with your last point but not your 1st one.

In 2013 JEV rarely qualified inside the top 10, was beaten 15-4 with an avg gap of more than 1 second, and had only 3 points scoring races compared to Dan's 7 - it was a total whitewash!

I agree with this. Despite his bigger points hauls over Ricciardo, I never saw JEV as the faster dry weather driver. The steady hands skills of JEV don't realy apply to the sharp end the way it works in the mid-field. You need to have blazing speed at the sharp end to win championships.

[Juzh]

Only it hasn't worked out so well for Vettel. 6 races in amd he sits behind Ricciardo in terms of Qualy and Points, despite being DQ'd twice, which near nullifies Vettels reliability woes.

In the meantime, lets just conveniently forget about all vettel's FP and quali reliability problems.

[zeph]

I will make a football comparison ... Messi and Ronaldo.

Off-topic, but it irks me:

This is the real Ronaldo:


This is Cristiano Ronaldo:

[FoxHound]

Only it hasn't worked out so well for Vettel. 6 races in amd he sits behind Ricciardo in terms of Qualy and Points, despite being DQ'd twice, which near nullifies Vettels reliability woes.

In the meantime, lets just conveniently forget about all vettel's FP and quali reliability problems.

Shall we forget that Ricciardo's DQs where done after sterling performances?

[mikeerfol]

Only it hasn't worked out so well for Vettel. 6 races in amd he sits behind Ricciardo in terms of Qualy and Points, despite being DQ'd twice, which near nullifies Vettels reliability woes.

In the meantime, lets just conveniently forget about all vettel's FP and quali reliability problems.

Shall we forget that Ricciardo's DQs where done after sterling performances?

2 DQs?

[Juzh]

Only it hasn't worked out so well for Vettel. 6 races in amd he sits behind Ricciardo in terms of Qualy and Points, despite being DQ'd twice, which near nullifies Vettels reliability woes.

In the meantime, lets just conveniently forget about all vettel's FP and quali reliability problems.

Shall we forget that Ricciardo's DQs where done after sterling performances?

No?
Not as if it makes much difference.

[FoxHound]

There was a clue in the after.

But as you wish.

[djos]

First step for Vettel would be to beat his teammate. Ricciardo beat Vergne in the second part of the 2013 season when the latter was severely demoralized to miss the RB drive. Before that, things were pretty much even, especially considering that Vergne had twice as many retirements as Ric.

Dan had 3 retirements to Jev's 5, not exactly big numbers for either of them!

3 is is a lot, 5 is massive. thats more than 1/4 of the races he's retired from. Maybe you should try and be objective sometimes.

JEV had 2 more retirements than Dan, hardly earth shattering and several of his retirements were accident related.

It still doesn't hide the fact that Dan smashed him 15-4 in qually (avg of more than 1sec) in 2013 and in 2012 it was 15-5 (avg of more than 3/10ths). Fact is that Dan is the faster driver.

[djos]

And remember, vergnes retirements came about, generally, when he was well placed in the points and ahead of dr on track.

Dan had his car die on him on the very last lap at monza in 2012 while iirc in 5th or 6th - had that not happened Dan would have beaten JEV in the WDC for 2012 (iirc jev took himself out in a silly accident early in the race).