2022 Winter Testing Part 2: Bahrain International Circuit 10-12th March

[GerryTT]

Are there combined best (mini) sectors lap times from the teams, which can predict other timetable?

[Wouter]

Alfa Romeo has a Ferrari PU, the best PU at the moment, so this is not a surprise.

We don't know who's is the best yet.

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You just edited in time with your accusation.

[chrisc90]

Haas putting in a 1:32:2 on C4’s shows how pointless these times are. Yes the track is cooler, but it’s still a Haas.

Why does everyone discredit Haas? New season, new era of cars... They were a strong runner 3-4 seasons ago in 2018 who were good midfield team. They threw 2021 away to work on 2022 car. That might be their true pace. With a Ferrari PU in there, it's a strong engine knowing its had big upgrades done to it.

[silver]

The unassuming and highly interesting time is from Mclaren. Norris did 1m33.191s on C2. From C2 to C4 there is potential 2 seconds, which puts him on par with Verstappen on a C4.

[motobaleno]

The unassuming and highly interesting time is from Mclaren. Norris did 1m33.191s on C2. From C2 to C4 there is potential 2 seconds, which puts him on par with Verstappen on a C4.

all the sources that I have seen reports C3 not C2 for norris

[f1jcw]

Alfa Romeo has a Ferrari PU, the best PU at the moment, so this is not a surprise.

We don't know who's is the best yet.

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You just edited in time with your accusation.

The statement is the same, just worded differently.

[f1316]

Haas putting in a 1:32:2 on C4’s shows how pointless these times are. Yes the track is cooler, but it’s still a Haas.

Why does everyone discredit Haas? New season, new era of cars... They were a strong runner 3-4 seasons ago in 2018 who were good midfield team. They threw 2021 away to work on 2022 car. That might be their true pace. With a Ferrari PU in there, it's a strong engine knowing its had big upgrades done to it.

I personally wouldn’t discredit anyone or use them as proof that another car is sandbagging or hiding pace. I’ve seen this happen before where it turns out a previously slower car is genuinely quicker than one of the previous front runners - it can happen.

What I do think this likely indicates is just how much faster the track is getting as it gets later, since Haas generally has done their quickest laps in extra time. Doesn’t prove it - they might just be waiting to do their quali sim - but I think it’s a fair assumption. This is also therefore relevant when we’re comparing other runs of other cars at different times of day.

[etusch]

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Oh ok, so Alfa are on par with RedBull. Right, also who the hell are Alpha Romeo ?

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You are a teacher??
Alfa Romeo has a Ferrari PU, the best PU at the moment, so this is not a surprise.

Well I've taught him something today at least. I don't get how people can get two completely different teams mixed up. It's like the constant misspelling of Masi. Even Russell's surname is spelt wrong very often!

This is a technical forum, at least get the teams and drivers names right!

in a debate when you left main subject and start trying to hit from different subject, it means you already lost the debate.
But you will be defeated in the subject you had select to save you. There are two Alfa and this is a technical forum. You should write the complete name to point correct team. You are far wrong than me.

[chrisc90]

Haas putting in a 1:32:2 on C4’s shows how pointless these times are. Yes the track is cooler, but it’s still a Haas.

Why does everyone discredit Haas? New season, new era of cars... They were a strong runner 3-4 seasons ago in 2018 who were good midfield team. They threw 2021 away to work on 2022 car. That might be their true pace. With a Ferrari PU in there, it's a strong engine knowing its had big upgrades done to it.

I personally wouldn’t discredit anyone or use them as proof that another car is sandbagging or hiding pace. I’ve seen this happen before where it turns out a previously slower car is genuinely quicker than one of the previous front runners - it can happen.

What I do think this likely indicates is just how much faster the track is getting as it gets later, since Haas generally has done their quickest laps in extra time. Doesn’t prove it - they might just be waiting to do their quali sim - but I think it’s a fair assumption. This is also therefore relevant when we’re comparing other runs of other cars at different times of day.

Track temp could be a big factor. Not sure how much surface and air temp are differing from the end of 'normal' play but I cant see it being a huge amount.

Would be interesting to compare the times of the cars lapping at the end of the normal session, and the times the Haas was doing.

[silver]

The unassuming and highly interesting time is from Mclaren. Norris did 1m33.191s on C2. From C2 to C4 there is potential 2 seconds, which puts him on par with Verstappen on a C4.

all the sources that I have seen reports C3 not C2 for norris

Autosport live feed showed Norris on C2. I referred a couple of other places, on sky feed it showed C4 and at Auto Motor Und Sport it was C2! Not sure which one is correct.

[silver]

Speed trap data. The data is not necessarily from the fastest lap. It just shows, no one really gave it full beans.

1 ALO 317.4
2 GAS 317.3
3 SCH 316.1
4 SAI 314.0
5 ALB 313.9
6 HAM 313.7
7 VERS 313.7
8 PER 312.7
9 TSU 312.2
10 LAT 311.8
11 VET 311.0
12 NOR 310.9
13 BOT 310.4
14 ZHO 309.0
15 RUS 308.6
16 LEC 308.2
17 STR 306.9
18 MAG 288.3

[chrisc90]

Personally, i think the speed trap data is irrelevant. Look at last year when the Haas was top of the speed traps - yet it was the car constantly at the back of the grid.

[codetower]

[Mchamilton]

Personally, i think the speed trap data is irrelevant. Look at last year when the Haas was top of the speed traps - yet it was the car constantly at the back of the grid.

Absolutely nobody is trying to imply that having the highest top speed means that its fastest car over a lap lol

[chrisc90]

Silver said it was teams not giving it full beans. So having the fastest over the whole lap based on highest speed trap data is wrong.

All I was saying was...speed trap data is irrelevant, as doesnt mean it gives a true indication of who is fastest overall. However, it could mean that they are giving it 'full beans'