All things considered it is a smart move. By getting RIC under the wings RB again they opted already for a come back. With PER and DEV underperforming this seems logical, evaluation and pressuring TSU, PER and RIC, although harsh for Nick.
“We contracted Nyck because he performed great at Monza last year,” Marko said, referring to De Vries’ drive to eighth place at Monza last year, as he substituted for the ill Alex Albon at Monza.
“We expected him to be at least equal to his team-mate Yuki Tsunoda this year, but that was not the case. Actually, he was always three-tenths of a second slower. We didn’t see any improvement.
“He is 28 years old, has a lot of experience, and has also been able to gain a lot of knowledge as a test driver in various Formula 1 cars. You can’t compare him to a young rookie in my eyes.
“At the end of April in Baku, he started the weekend well and I thought he was going to perform better, but then he crashed again.
He, unfortunately, didn’t do one super lap that we were amazed by.”
Marko, a man known for his unrelenting, and occasionally brutal, honesty, said De Vries lacked the pace to be in the sport.
“We had to do something,” he explained.
“Why should we wait and what do two more races matter if you don’t see any improvement?
Nyck is a very pleasant guy, but the speed just wasn’t there.”
Unsurprisingly, Marko doubts another F1 door will open for the ousted De Vries, and pointed him off in the direction of
the World Endurance Championship.
“[Another F1 seat] will be difficult, I think,” he said.
“But at the same time, I do think he saw this coming. I think he can build a nice career in long-distance racing.”
Well harsh...the error in the end is on Marco for signing him. He needs to be happy that he was able to compete in the pinnacle.TNTHead wrote: ↑11 Jul 2023, 20:44All things considered it is a smart move. By getting RIC under the wings RB again they opted already for a come back. With PER and DEV underperforming this seems logical, evaluation and pressuring TSU, PER and RIC, although harsh for Nick.
Hopefully AT can make a step so they'll be connected to the mid field. Even with updates the race pace was deplorable.
I think you're confusing F1 with kindergartengshevlin wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 20:47If Helmut Marko was working in any normal business he would have been fired off of people management a long time ago for under-performance. It is his job to select the best available drivers and then get the most out of them. The "sink or swim" approach is not mature or sophisticated people management that will get the most out of key employees.
Some drivers discarded by Red Bull have gone on to have fine careers in other branches of motor sport (Jean-Eric Vergne and Sebastian Buemi to name but two) which suggests that the entire Red Bull approach of throwing drivers in early has some major flaws. Alex Albon is also showing that he is a fine driver that Red Bull moved all over the map and did not get the best out of.
The instant cancellation of Nyck De Vries from the Alpha Tauri world is a repeat of the process that they followed when they replaced Brendon Hartley with Alex Albon. They did not even issue a thankyou to Brendon until 4 days later, when (IMHO) Honda reminded them that they perhaps ought to, you know, stop being dicks.
He found and developed Max and Seb combining for multiple championships. What you say makes zero sense.
He "found" Max, did he?Giblet wrote: ↑14 Jul 2023, 13:21He found and developed Max and Seb combining for multiple championships. What you say makes zero sense.
Just say "I don't like Helmut Marko" and move on instead of saying nonsensical things.
Assume at all times the people in F1 know more than you about every single aspect of the sport and their team, because that is true of all of us.
It's only a shame he drops under-performing drivers so quickly when one is a fan of them.
> They did not even issue a thankyou to Brendon until 4 days later,
A public thank you is a requirement now. Interesting. I am sure he was thanked personally by the team.
Realistically, it seems unlikely that Ricciardo could do any worse than de Vries (who has zero points and a relatively long list of accident damage, did de Vries crash three times at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix?). So I suppose Red Bull have nothing to lose (nor AlphaTauri either really).
Red Bull had two teams since the 00's, Honda had two teams in the 00's too.
He got them signed, call it whatever you want.organic wrote: ↑14 Jul 2023, 13:30He "found" Max, did he?Giblet wrote: ↑14 Jul 2023, 13:21He found and developed Max and Seb combining for multiple championships. What you say makes zero sense.
Just say "I don't like Helmut Marko" and move on instead of saying nonsensical things.
Assume at all times the people in F1 know more than you about every single aspect of the sport and their team, because that is true of all of us.
It's only a shame he drops under-performing drivers so quickly when one is a fan of them.
> They did not even issue a thankyou to Brendon until 4 days later,
A public thank you is a requirement now. Interesting. I am sure he was thanked personally by the team.
His karting career was already the best of any F1 driver ever by the time he was signed to RB driver academy
Ferrari, Mercedes were further advanced with Max until Helmut offered the Toro Rosso seat.
So we cannot attribute the finding of Max's talent to Marko. Anyone with remote interest in junior karting/F3 at the time knew the talent level of verstappen & pretending otherwise is silly
I'm not convinced Helmut did any developing of Max/Seb either. If there is a Helmut imprint, I do not see it. Can't think of any characteristic that Seb and Max share other than being great F1 drivers.
Without the extra 2 seats of AT/TR at helmut's disposal Verstappen would've gone to another F1 team and RB would likely have ended up with a Sainz/Ricciardo driving partnership. There would be no harm in such a lineup, but I think you're overstating the Helmut effect in all of this.
That was an epic welcome from AT! They are clearly very excited to have him back.
