Red Bull RB6

[Raptor22]

nope can't see anything either.

just a flap from the front wing , a distant brake duct and some suspension components

[ISLAMATRON]

I think what you're seeing there is the upper element of the front wing.

not at all... there is something there under the nose, either a splitter or an elongated keel

Nothing under there. Have a look at other shots.

Something is there... have a look at the super hi -res

http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/RED-1.jpg

[Sawtooth-spike]

I can only see the brake duck for the far side front tyre. It is at a funny angle though, aiming toward the front wing.

[Richard]

I can't see anything either. Possibly the tyre on the farside might confuse the eye so it looks like a splitter between the wing supports like the McLaren?

Shame the render doesn't give a sense of depth. The brake duct on the far wheel looks like it is attached to the near side of the wing!

[Saribro]

Something is there... have a look at the super hi -res
http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/RED-1.jpg

As in, the grey painted underside of the nose cone?...

[mistrx]

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[ISLAMATRON]

Something is there... have a look at the super hi -res
http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/RED-1.jpg

As in, the grey painted underside of the nose cone?...

Whatever it is that the front lower wishbone is connected to

[thestig84]

So you mean the lower half of the nose being a different colour/material. Not a splitter.

[ISLAMATRON]

does it not angle down like a keel? and what about the grey structure ahead of it?

[Richard]

does it not angle down like a keel? and what about the grey structure ahead of it?

Underside of the nose, painted grey.

There does seem to be something bolted to the underside of the nose - just in front of the near tyre, above the first T in "Total"

[marcush.]

obviously
Red Bull and others have chosen to have quite big access panels for their suspension on the sides of their monocoque ,something also seen on the Merc ,but a lot smaller .
doesn´t this compromise the tubs integrity quite a bit ,putting big holes into the structure in that area? Ok ,you will need access to the pedals and front suspension anyways so I guess they could do away with the front opening and a top opening with that arrangement ,so maybe the losses aren´t as big as one would think ...anyone aware of who did actually start with side acess panels?

[djos]

Something is there... have a look at the super hi -res

http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/RED-1.jpg

The greyish bit is the bottom of the V shaped as a vertical splitter.

[univex]

Over at the Macca forum there is a lot of focus at the moment on rear tyre wear. This made me think back to the days of Alain Prost and his smooth driving style and the ability to look after the car. He commonly sat back from the front runners and came home strong on tyres that were in much better shape.
With no re-fuelling, and the considerable extra weight in the cars, it is quite probable that we will see this tactic played out again in 2010, particualarly on tracks with long pit lanes.
To my point regarding RBR. The difference in driving styles between MW and SV, may find MW far more competitive against his team mate this year. Apart from the broken leg now being fine, MW's more cautious approach to driving (not really fair to Mark to say this???) could see him beating SV at a number of venues. Often last year we witnessed more of SV riding the kerbs, sliding the car and going flat out from the start, to the extent that it had been suggest he was too hard on the car and resulted in more retirements. In interviews and commentary it was more than once mentioned that SV was constantly focussed on the fastest lap times, and the team had to often talk him into slowing down when leading.
All in all MW's experience may pay off in driving a smater race rather than the fastest first stints. For SV it may require a more 'mature' approach which is not at all out of the realms of possibilities by a long way. Time will tell.

[ringo]

It would be rather funny if everyone else was concentrating on aero and diffusers and Newey was the only one actually putting all his efforts on packaging and balance.

That's about the size of it. People are falling over themselves to talk about aerodynamics and how big their diffusers are when packaging and balance are going to be absolutely critical with 70 kilos of fuel wanting to move around under several G of force. Whoever can package that fuel efficiently, along with the engine and gearbox, in a finite amount of space and ensure that the components and aerodynamics around them are not compromised is gaining a big advantage in addition to the usual aerodynamic grip war. It's clear just by looking that Red Bull have compromised little, if any when compared to other teams on that front. The McLaren looks like a pregnant whale compared to the Red Bull and even to the Ferrari.

That's one of the areas where Newey scores ahead of others. Only he would decide to come up with a pull-rod suspension system at the rear just so he can gain the knock-on effect of having the back-end packaged exactly the way he wants. Every component affects everything else.

Indeed!

Redbull reportedly had a fuel pump failure. This pump problem was rumoured during the developement of the car or last year's car IIRC. Something about cavitation of the pump when high temperatures are generated over long runs. I saw this being discussed on another site a couple weeks ago.
It seems redbull have not fixed the problem; James Allen has mentioned it on his site today.
Reliability has been compromised for packaging, a big price to pay.
There is no advantage to be gained if packaging and balance stops your fuel pump from getting rid of those extra 70kg.
RedBull have compromised much in fact
The poorly packaged "pregnant whale" (according to you) is doing quite well.
I hope they sort it out soon.

Segedunum if you live in a glass house...

[LoudHoward]

Apart from the broken leg now being fine, MW's more cautious approach to driving (not really fair to Mark to say this???) could see him beating SV at a number of venues.

Not really any change from last year eh? Mark was a lot closer than seems to be the word on forums these days, other than the bad run of luck late in the season they were pretty much equal. Malaysia, Spain, Monaco, Turkey, Germany, Hungary, and Brazil Mark was ahead of Sebvet.