2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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gokarter wrote:
22 Jun 2019, 17:13
albon almost beat redbull in a TR. not good signs.
perhaps we should swap drivers then...
i still think any thing less than p3 tomorrow is a bad result , no matter how turd this tyres its the case for Ferrari as well
para bellum.

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Red bull is loose at the rear, probably why verstappen is outright murdering gasly who obviously can't stand it (alo-rai 2014 anyone?)

verstappen's p4 lap
https://streamable.com/aj8bh

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He made a lot of mistakes, probably another. 3 hidden with a good lap.

Car seems almost undrivable.
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Max after his lap reported something felt weird on the car (rear right) and he could've gone 4 tenths faster. He had a massive snap between final 2 corners.

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loner wrote:
22 Jun 2019, 17:27
gokarter wrote:
22 Jun 2019, 17:13
albon almost beat redbull in a TR. not good signs.
perhaps we should swap drivers then...
i still think any thing less than p3 tomorrow is a bad result , no matter how turd this tyres its the case for Ferrari as well
Max will be much better in the race, with a good start he can slide right into a podium. It's an easy one stop.
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This is not only an engine issue. as we can see all other mercedes team struggling at the back even to make q3. mercedes just got this tyres to work better and have a better understanding. if i was marko i will go ahead with a b spec and try a longer wheelbase just to see if it make a difference

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gokarter wrote:
22 Jun 2019, 17:56
This is not only an engine issue. as we can see all other mercedes team struggling at the back even to make q3. mercedes just got this tyres to work better and have a better understanding. if i was marko i will go ahead with a b spec and try a longer wheelbase just to see if it make a difference
Doing that will only be worst than now. They need to optimize their package and understand how to work on the tires. How you would try with a longer wheelbase and expect to be on Merc level when they've been evolving that concept for many years. No reason for doing that

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gokarter wrote:
22 Jun 2019, 17:56
This is not only an engine issue. as we can see all other mercedes team struggling at the back even to make q3. mercedes just got this tyres to work better and have a better understanding. if i was marko i will go ahead with a b spec and try a longer wheelbase just to see if it make a difference
Toro rosso is the B spec if you had not already known this. They have one of the longest wheelbase with a larger rake than most and rear transmission from last year. Sector 2 times is revealing.

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Yuck, what a terrible lap for p4. They can't find the window at all - was getting more and more scruffy as the lap went on.

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First laps will be very hard defending from Norris and Sainz.

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gokarter wrote:car does not react well to these new 2019 tyres, b spec car would b e ideal , with a bigger wheelbase but i dont think it will happen. albon almost beat redbull in a TR. not good signs.
I don’t understand why people keep using Gasley pace as a judgement of the car. Clearly Gasley is slow. It’s a shame too. I really like him.

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shingles wrote:
22 Jun 2019, 19:17
gokarter wrote:car does not react well to these new 2019 tyres, b spec car would b e ideal , with a bigger wheelbase but i dont think it will happen. albon almost beat redbull in a TR. not good signs.
I don’t understand why people keep using Gasley pace as a judgement of the car. Clearly Gasley is slow. It’s a shame too. I really like him.
I'm sorry about him, he's a good guy. But I think Kvyat would be doing a better job right now with that car..

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The main trouble seems to be the mid corner phases, not the initial entry, or corner exit. Also problem with the right rear is obviously a tire issue. The right rear is rarely loaded until the very last few corners. Most turns are right, this being a counter clockwise circuit, the rear right will always be the hardest tire to get working properly without cheating the minimum pressure. It makes perfect sense as well because the chicane in the back straight, and the penultimate 2 corners are left hand turns, and that's where Max seemed to loose the rear end the most.

The front left and front right aren't difficult to get into the window particularly in the race, the left rear will be the fastest wearing tire as that is the one that is the most used over a lap. Front graining may be an issue still, and if the race is a one stopper perhaps tire life may play a role later on in the race.

Honda's PU update was meant to improve performance mainly in the race rather than be a major difference in qualifying, and perhaps the car is better balanced on high fuel and harder tires relative to other cars.
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Toro rosso is the B spec if you had not already known this. They have one of the longest wheelbase with a larger rake than most and rear transmission from last year. Sector 2 times is revealing.
If the toro rosso car with a longer wheelbase and different aero philosophy can come very close in out qualifying a Redbull, what does it tell you about redbull?. redbull has always been over 1 sec quicker in previous years compared to toro rosso. and if toro rosso can come close to outqualifying a redbull, then the redbull does have an issue. i think this 2019 tyres need a longer wheelbase. if you look on google the advantages of a longer wheelbase over a shorter wheelbase is vehicle stability in fast corners. redbull clearly lacks this. take a look at haas. another car with a shorter wheelbase,they too are struggling in qualifying. this 2019 tyres needs a longer wheelbase

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I think Max suffered from a change in wind strength/angle. Seemed to only start when he turned into it.
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