2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

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Russell actually got ahead Because of them having to pit ham a second time for inters but threw it away with the mistake. Then he started moaning about being stuck behind Lewis who was managing the gap to ocon but then Lewis left him for dead after that to the tune of .11 sec in 19 laps.

The Alpine was fast around Monaco. Surprise of the weekend for me. Great job by these guys especially Ocon.

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Fastest lap in the rain is a good sign.

George has a boring habit of artificially closing in on Lewis and asking for team orders, only for his tyres to burn out soon after. Not sure what he gets from doing this.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
28 May 2023, 17:09
Fastest lap in the rain is a good sign.
? He set fastest lap on new hards.

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Don’t understand why they didn’t put Lewis on hard tyres as well in the first stint. It’s quite often a great strategy, gives you much more options as was showed again with George. Especially on this track, where you can start on wooden tyres and still block anyone trying to pass you off the line with these wide cars…

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
28 May 2023, 17:09
Fastest lap in the rain is a good sign.

George has a boring habit of artificially closing in on Lewis and asking for team orders, only for his tyres to burn out soon after. Not sure what he gets from doing this.
Mind games mixed with getting what he wants. He's trying to pressure Hamilton's garage into making choices that would help him out by making it seem like he has the upper hand.
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At this point, what the drivers were doing is irrelevant.

I don't know about you all, but I feel like there's been a fair bit of PR polished press regarding this upgrade. Hamilton is doing his best to put on a positive face but honestly if you look at how he struggles to really say it's better after the race today....It reminds me of all the carefully worded statements when the W14 first launched, only to find out Hamilton was saying it was mostly the same problems as last year, as the season wore in.

I'm not sold on the upgrade package at all. Time will tell. Hamilton won't hide his dissatisfaction for much longer.
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Please don't forget that Monaco is probably the most unsuitable track to introduce a new specification. Just wait and see!

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AR3-GP wrote:
28 May 2023, 18:49
At this point, what the drivers were doing is irrelevant.

I don't know about you all, but I feel like there's been a fair bit of PR polished press regarding this upgrade. Hamilton is doing his best to put on a positive face but honestly if you look at how he struggles to really say it's better after the race today....It reminds me of all the carefully worded statements when the W14 first launched, only to find out Hamilton was saying it was mostly the same problems as last year, as the season wore in.

I'm not sold on the upgrade package at all. Time will tell. Hamilton won't hide his dissatisfaction for much longer.
Sorry but way way too early for any such type of judgement and I've not seen much PR about it.
Monaco isn't really the place to evaluate a new package and not have chance to set it up correctly.

Lewis didn't look dissatisfied at all

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f1jcw wrote:
28 May 2023, 18:58
Sorry but way way too early for any such type of judgement and I've not seen much PR about it.
Monaco isn't really the place to evaluate a new package and not have chance to set it up correctly.

Lewis didn't look dissatisfied at all
This.

Never understand why Mercedes upgrades or press releases should be treated with more scrutiny or reverence than other teams.
Was a good result for the team today, but by christ you wouldn't know it reading some of the comments.

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ValeVida46 wrote:
28 May 2023, 19:19
f1jcw wrote:
28 May 2023, 18:58
Sorry but way way too early for any such type of judgement and I've not seen much PR about it.
Monaco isn't really the place to evaluate a new package and not have chance to set it up correctly.

Lewis didn't look dissatisfied at all
This.

Never understand why Mercedes upgrades or press releases should be treated with more scrutiny or reverence than other teams.
Was a good result for the team today, but by christ you wouldn't know it reading some of the comments.
Ocon being in front was annoying as couldn't see if he could stay in touch with Alonso, but even if could it wouldn't have meant much around Monaco

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ValeVida46 wrote:
28 May 2023, 19:19
f1jcw wrote:
28 May 2023, 18:58
Sorry but way way too early for any such type of judgement and I've not seen much PR about it.
Monaco isn't really the place to evaluate a new package and not have chance to set it up correctly.

Lewis didn't look dissatisfied at all
This.

Never understand why Mercedes upgrades or press releases should be treated with more scrutiny or reverence than other teams.
Was a good result for the team today, but by christ you wouldn't know it reading some of the comments.
Merc is the one who wrote an apology letter to fans after finishing P4 and P6 in Bahrain...
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AR3-GP wrote:
28 May 2023, 18:49
At this point, what the drivers were doing is irrelevant.

I don't know about you all, but I feel like there's been a fair bit of PR polished press regarding this upgrade. Hamilton is doing his best to put on a positive face but honestly if you look at how he struggles to really say it's better after the race today....It reminds me of all the carefully worded statements when the W14 first launched, only to find out Hamilton was saying it was mostly the same problems as last year, as the season wore in.

I'm not sold on the upgrade package at all. Time will tell. Hamilton won't hide his dissatisfaction for much longer.
There is no reality in which we can judge the success of the package after one race in Monaco of all places. Although, is it worth pointing out that they were 8 tenths off pole last year and 3 this year? And both cars in the top 5 in the race?

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mendis wrote:
28 May 2023, 16:58
With all the upgrades, they end up behind an Alpine.
lol Danny Ric won this race down 150 horsepower a few years back.

Whatever modicum of credibility you had left, you just torched it my friend.

I’m going to make that post my avatar, I think.

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zibby43 wrote:
28 May 2023, 19:31
AR3-GP wrote:
28 May 2023, 18:49
At this point, what the drivers were doing is irrelevant.

I don't know about you all, but I feel like there's been a fair bit of PR polished press regarding this upgrade. Hamilton is doing his best to put on a positive face but honestly if you look at how he struggles to really say it's better after the race today....It reminds me of all the carefully worded statements when the W14 first launched, only to find out Hamilton was saying it was mostly the same problems as last year, as the season wore in.

I'm not sold on the upgrade package at all. Time will tell. Hamilton won't hide his dissatisfaction for much longer.
There is no reality in which we can judge the success of the package after one race in Monaco of all places. Although, is it worth pointing out that they were 8 tenths off pole last year and 3 this year? And both cars in the top 5 in the race?
And Alpine was 1 tenth off pole, and finished on the podium and this is RB's worst circuit in theory.

Of course this may be premature, but a driver knows right away, as Hamilton knew on the shakedown and I see mixed signals from Hamilton already. It's already been said that the rear is still unstable.

It's a team effort, and everyone is going to do their best to be positive about the current situation, so everything with a grain of salt. I just feel that Hamilton was sending mixed signals already. He knows there is still a long way to go.
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AR3-GP wrote:
28 May 2023, 19:38
zibby43 wrote:
28 May 2023, 19:31
AR3-GP wrote:
28 May 2023, 18:49
At this point, what the drivers were doing is irrelevant.

I don't know about you all, but I feel like there's been a fair bit of PR polished press regarding this upgrade. Hamilton is doing his best to put on a positive face but honestly if you look at how he struggles to really say it's better after the race today....It reminds me of all the carefully worded statements when the W14 first launched, only to find out Hamilton was saying it was mostly the same problems as last year, as the season wore in.

I'm not sold on the upgrade package at all. Time will tell. Hamilton won't hide his dissatisfaction for much longer.
There is no reality in which we can judge the success of the package after one race in Monaco of all places. Although, is it worth pointing out that they were 8 tenths off pole last year and 3 this year? And both cars in the top 5 in the race?
And Alpine was 1 tenth off pole, and finished on the podium and this is RB's worst circuit in theory.

Of course this may be premature, but a driver knows right away, as Hamilton knew on the shakedown and I see mixed signals from Hamilton already. It's already been said that the rear is still unstable.

It's a team effort, and everyone is going to do their best to be positive about the current situation, so everything with a grain of salt. I just feel that Hamilton was sending mixed signals already. He knows there is still a long way to go.
There is still a long way to go, but I didn’t see mixed signals in his comments.

They’re consistent with what the team (George, etc.) has said all weekend. Except he does point out one specific positive improvement.

The car feels really stiff, there were lots of bumps, yeah, tricky but definitely noticed one particular part of the car that was better but I’m sure next week the whole thing will be a much, much better package.