Mclaren MP4-30 Honda

[f1rules]

322 in qual

[mclaren111]

Ahhh

Thanks

[Juzh]

I was watching qualifying last night (time difference), and saw on board footage of Alonso on the long straight and it showed his speed as just over 332 km/h.

If this is correct, why are we 1.6 sec down ??

322 is nothing this year.

[db__]

I was watching qualifying last night (time difference), and saw on board footage of Alonso on the long straight and it showed his speed as just over 332 km/h.

If this is correct, why are we 1.6 sec down ??

Dont forget the figures posted for the speedtrap are not necessarily max speed as the trap is before the breaking point.

[zioture]

P U HONDA

[CjC]

Its hard to stay positive at the moment,but here is something anyways......Alonso said todays engine problems were not down to tokens....they were more to do whit the age of the engins that went a bit over the limit,and second intersting thing i read today is Andrew Benson tweet which said they did somekind of power to track calculation which in short says Mclaren chassis is a match to Ferrari,but the engine is way off.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/119356

[Juzh]

I was watching qualifying last night (time difference), and saw on board footage of Alonso on the long straight and it showed his speed as just over 332 km/h.

If this is correct, why are we 1.6 sec down ??

Dont forget the figures posted for the speedtrap are not necessarily max speed as the trap is before the breaking point.

That goes for everyone.

[JimClarkFan]

Power output has definitely I improved, onboards sounded a lot better.

Still, way off in acceleration and peak power. Even by the end of the season they are gonna be way off.

Which is a shame, because the car looks quite good otherwise.

[FoxHound]

Its hard to stay positive at the moment,but here is something anyways......Alonso said todays engine problems were not down to tokens....they were more to do whit the age of the engins that went a bit over the limit,and second intersting thing i read today is Andrew Benson tweet which said they did somekind of power to track calculation which in short says Mclaren chassis is a match to Ferrari,but the engine is way off.

Yes I read this tweet too.

However, I disagree that the Mclaren chassis is anywhere near the Ferrari.
I questioned Benson on it, without reply. The basis I have is that last year McLaren-Mercedes were almost the worst customer team Mercedes supplied.

Force India challenged them for a large portion of the season. With Williams miles ahead.
With this in mind, McLaren would theoretically have had to have made unheard of progress in chassis development to make Andrew Benson's assumption accurate.

I don't buy what he's selling.

The Honda PU is currently almost not fit for purpose, sadly. But they are making progress.
The chassis may have untapped potential, but this is all it is until it demonstrates it clearly.

Making crazy statements about the chassis being on par with Ferrari despite having almost half the miles under it's belt is silly.

[Mansell89]

Did I read that Mr Arai said they still had the options with their other remaining tokens to change their engine layout, splitting the turbo a la the Merc engine amongst other things?

I know Scarbs did a good piece on Honda where he said their current version had the potential to reap the benefits eventually, but I do remember Arai in an interview pondering if they may change the layout to increase power.

Where does the power deficit come from- the combustion or the energy recovery?

(Were Ferrari struggling in races last year because their energy recovery was so bad that they couldnt maintain power over the full lap, one of the reasons they have had such a big jump this season?)

[damager21]

I will be worried if I was Jenson. Honda would have changed his engine overnight and assembled the car. While they will fire up the engine to do system checks, there could always be those electrical and electronics issue which may force him to stop. We have seen this many times before this year and it will extremely embarrassing if Jenson was to stop on his out lap.

While there is no official confirmation yet on engine change, if that does happen then Jenson will also have to take a drive through penalty.

In Q2 Alonso was 1.6 secs slower than session topping time by Lewis. We all know that Mercedes given its phenomenal reliability always has that extra power available in qualifying. So now as I think about it, Alonso could be on similar pace to Force India. It will be interesting to see if he goes for a one stop strategy.

[diffuser]

Its hard to stay positive at the moment,but here is something anyways......Alonso said todays engine problems were not down to tokens....they were more to do whit the age of the engins that went a bit over the limit,and second intersting thing i read today is Andrew Benson tweet which said they did somekind of power to track calculation which in short says Mclaren chassis is a match to Ferrari,but the engine is way off.

Yes I read this tweet too.

However, I disagree that the Mclaren chassis is anywhere near the Ferrari.
I questioned Benson on it, without reply. The basis I have is that last year McLaren-Mercedes were almost the worst customer team Mercedes supplied.

Force India challenged them for a large portion of the season. With Williams miles ahead.
With this in mind, McLaren would theoretically have had to have made unheard of progress in chassis development to make Andrew Benson's assumption accurate.

I don't buy what he's selling.

The Honda PU is currently almost not fit for purpose, sadly. But they are making progress.
The chassis may have untapped potential, but this is all it is until it demonstrates it clearly.

Making crazy statements about the chassis being on par with Ferrari despite having almost half the miles under it's belt is silly.

It's hard to differentiate the perf levels of the 3(power, down force and chassis) n comparison with other cars. The 3 parts work so closely together. Personally I think it's close too but behind RBS and Ferrari. I give RBS's chassis the edge over Ferrari.

Because Honda's PU is so far behind it's hard to find kinks in the chassis. About the only thing you can say is the chassis is the least of their problems.

[FoxHound]

Agreed for the most part diffuser.

If the engine isn't up to scratch, how on earth can we deduce any limitations or supposed equilibriums of the MP4-30 chassis to front running teams?
With an underpowered engine most chassis will appear wondrous.

[FrukostScones]

[Holm86]

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So, they're running the old alu plenum??