[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[Big Tea]

Red Bull can talk about the engine as much as he wants, but the main problem is the chassis. Look how mobile the technical headquarters is in Mercedes, they invite all the best or just the strongest engineers if they become free, despite the fact that their technical headquarters looked full. This year they made three big steps at once in the development of the car.
1. Fixed problem with engine overheating
2. New rear suspension
3. DAS system
And that's not counting all the small standard improvements that the team makes for each season.
I think Red Bull needs to look for strong engineers, I think it is a big omission that they missed James Key. He may not be a genius, but if he could come up with ideas that would make the car a couple of tenths faster - he is worth it to be transferred to Red Bull.

Toto said in one of his vids that they have lost people to stress trying to stay ahead of RBR and Ferrari, even though they were aiming at a target that was higher than they needed as Ferrari had 'extra'. It is a heavy workload looking for hundredths when you already have more than anyone else, but when staff leave, they do not seem to be knocking at RBR or Ferrari door.

There seems to be an exceptional set up there, and other teams just cannot seem to find it.
STR are trying, but on a fraction of the money. Possibly Red Bull boss team should be using them more to push than just for options.

[Sieper]

SAT?

[ispano6]

Looks like Max and Alex both don't feel party mode ban has slowed them down.

Max
"Quite frankly, I do not think we have lost any time in doing so. I think it is a difficult job to see the full impact of this. I think we have to wait for a normal track, where the drag doesn't play a role. So it is too early to say anything about that. I never thought it would change anything, those words came from others."

Alex
"I think it was definitely more about the circuit specifically. The Alpha Tauris have been strong all weekend but we'll see in Mugello. They're not only quick on the straights but they're good in the corners too,"

"If you look at the GPS and see where we're strong or weak, there's not one place that really stands out. We lose a little bit through turns 4 and 5 but it's all very small. We want to be a little bit up on that but Mercedes have just been especially quick through sector 2".

Marko
"We hadn't seen this coming. But Monza is not very representative to highlight the lack of party mode. On the other hand, we also see a smaller difference in the fast times between Q1, Q2 and Q3, so the change seems to have had an effect,"

If we'd had a downside to missing party mode, we'd be even further back. In any case, we can drive with more power tomorrow, so we'll see what's possible".

"It also didn't help that Max's fast lap wasn't perfect. I think a third position would have been possible here today,"

[Big Tea]

Looks like Max and Alex both don't feel party mode ban has slowed them down.

Max
"Quite frankly, I do not think we have lost any time in doing so. I think it is a difficult job to see the full impact of this. I think we have to wait for a normal track, where the drag doesn't play a role. So it is too early to say anything about that. I never thought it would change anything, those words came from others."

Alex
"I think it was definitely more about the circuit specifically. The Alpha Tauris have been strong all weekend but we'll see in Mugello. They're not only quick on the straights but they're good in the corners too,"

"If you look at the GPS and see where we're strong or weak, there's not one place that really stands out. We lose a little bit through turns 4 and 5 but it's all very small. We want to be a little bit up on that but Mercedes have just been especially quick through sector 2".

Marko
"We hadn't seen this coming. But Monza is not very representative to highlight the lack of party mode. On the other hand, we also see a smaller difference in the fast times between Q1, Q2 and Q3, so the change seems to have had an effect,"

If we'd had a downside to missing party mode, we'd be even further back. In any case, we can drive with more power tomorrow, so we'll see what's possible".

"It also didn't help that Max's fast lap wasn't perfect. I think a third position would have been possible here today,"

We have to wait and see how it affects the race distance. If it was 'balanced out' to be above normal race spec using the estimated savings of qualli mode, we need to see if they had the calculations right.

Tbh, I would not be surprised if everyone said 'what the hell, turn it up and we will use an extra engine'

[ispano6]

Red Bull should have done what Mercedes did which is to not rely on the tow, since it harmed them in the corners for any gain they made. Let's see how Red Bull and Honda respond.

Shovlin also knows that Max is still the only threat to Mercedes.

However, Andrew Shovlin, Mercedes' Chief Race Engineer, says his team is not really benefiting from that strategy. "We'd done a bit of analysis yesterday on the effects of towing and for us, we seemed to be losing as much in the corners as we were gaining on the straights. Based on that, we decided to try and find some clean air to run in, which has the added benefit of simplifying your Qualifying session. Our team has been very busy in Brixworth over the last two weeks preparing for the introduction of the single engine mode and they have done a good job of retaining competitive power in Qualifying," Shovlin says in the team review of Mercedes.

That it is clear that Mercedes doesn't have to use complex strategies or the party mode to put down a strong qualification is well reflected in the result, with another 1-2 finish. Still, Shovlin keeps looking back. "From Friday, it seemed that Max was closest to us on long-run pace. He's a few places back to start, but we know he races very well so it probably won't take him long to get through".

[McMika98]

No one is bringing up the so called innovative front suspension buried in the bulkhead which no other team could copy. At this rate, no teams would want that and sooner the Redbull ditch it the better. Max was slower than what Albon did last year, considering it was his rookie year, lasts year car could have been in P3 today easy.
The car is just not driveable, eats its tyres, not quicker in corners, slow on straights. Too bad they have to stick with the suspension layout which is giving fits as they have tried all possible settings and just can't nail it. The input must be all over the place.
I've noticed Albon now try and replicate Maxs turning style where he applies an initial input, holds and then applies the full input. Alex typically is a smooth driver with minimal single input into a corner. He didnt even match his laptime last year when he had one run.

[Big Tea]

No one is bringing up the so called innovative front suspension buried in the bulkhead which no other team could copy. At this rate, no teams would want that and sooner the Redbull ditch it the better. Max was slower than what Albon did last year, considering it was his rookie year, lasts year car could have been in P3 today easy.
The car is just not driveable, eats its tyres, not quicker in corners, slow on straights. Too bad they have to stick with the suspension layout which is giving fits as they have tried all possible settings and just can't nail it. The input must be all over the place.
I've noticed Albon now try and replicate Maxs turning style where he applies an initial input, holds and then applies the full input. Alex typically is a smooth driver with minimal single input into a corner. He didnt even match his laptime last year when he had one run.

Last year was not so tight on the track limits so would have been better. Albon showed that when his best time was wiped.

[KelsO]

Red Bull should have done what Mercedes did which is to not rely on the tow, since it harmed them in the corners for any gain they made. Let's see how Red Bull and Honda respond.

I think I heard the same thing last year. Probably, towing could be used on the back or main straight, if at the same time sacrificing a partner's circle. Despite the long straight lines in Monza it is very difficult to overtake. everyone uses small wings and the effect of DRS and towing is much less than on other circuits

[Pany]

Wrong. They will never tell Pu still not on par with mercedes. Chassis is good enough, but with less power ore reliability they use extreme solutions to compensate. And this is since always in this engine based formula

Before they keep blaming Honda. People should learn to read.

"We've been strugglekend," says Verstappen at Sky Sports. 'We've tried everything. We adjusted the wing to what should work for Monza, but lap times didn't get any better. It shows that our car is not yet what it should be in terms of downforce. We have trouble with balance and grip.

It's just not a good weekend for us', Verstappen kicks off at Ziggo Sport.
The RB16's balance is still not good enough to compete with the dominant Merceds. "You notice that when you drive with less downforce, then that car is a lot more sensitive, and that just eats us up now," says the Red Bull driver, who expects to fight for P3.

like i said the aero and chassis department need shake up and more employees hired smartly
this formula of bosses Adrian Newey , Rob marshal , Dan fallows , Pierre Wache are not working properly and efficiency
the car doesn't deliver the needed results regarding how much resources spent on it , where is the flaws ? infront of your eyes in the bosses and how they function administratively and on car.
you solve this problem you solve 99% of your car setbacks.

[bucker]

Wrong. They will never tell Pu still not on par with mercedes. Chassis is good enough, but with less power ore reliability they use extreme solutions to compensate. And this is since always in this engine based formula

Before they keep blaming Honda. People should learn to read.

like i said the aero and chassis department need shake up and more employees hired smartly
this formula of bosses Adrian Newey , Rob marshal , Dan fallows , Pierre Wache are not working properly and efficiency
the car doesn't deliver the needed results regarding how much resources spent on it , where is the flaws ? infront of your eyes in the bosses and how they function administratively and on car.
you solve this problem you solve 99% of your car setbacks.

Nope. It is not engine based for awhile now. If it would be, than Williams should be right behind Merc. Those cars are producing insane amount of downforce, and aero efficiency is key to great car.

[Sieper]

Williams is your proof. Ok.

Whatbabout Ferrari, an actual contender. No more.

[godlameroso]

No one is bringing up the so called innovative front suspension buried in the bulkhead which no other team could copy. At this rate, no teams would want that and sooner the Redbull ditch it the better. Max was slower than what Albon did last year, considering it was his rookie year, lasts year car could have been in P3 today easy.
The car is just not driveable, eats its tyres, not quicker in corners, slow on straights. Too bad they have to stick with the suspension layout which is giving fits as they have tried all possible settings and just can't nail it. The input must be all over the place.
I've noticed Albon now try and replicate Maxs turning style where he applies an initial input, holds and then applies the full input. Alex typically is a smooth driver with minimal single input into a corner. He didnt even match his laptime last year when he had one run.

It's faster in the race than its predecessor by about half a second per lap. It has been faster in race trim on every single track.

[McMika98]

It's faster in the race than its predecessor by about half a second per lap. It has been faster in race trim on every single track.

Nope, honda engine gains have something to do with it. The car is so bad with tyre wear, its unbelievable, Redbull used to be best at managing tyres.

[JordanMugen]

No one is bringing up the so called innovative front suspension buried in the bulkhead which no other team could copy. At this rate, no teams would want that and sooner the Redbull ditch it the better.

It's supposed to make the car more agile, but it seems to make the car too agile and round she goes!

I doubt Red Bull can abandon that without changing the monocoque?

[JordanMugen]

Wrong. They will never tell Pu still not on par with mercedes. Chassis is good enough

Of course the PU is not on par with Mercedes, but Mercedes refuses to sell power units to Red Bull, while it's debatable if Renault is better than Honda, and Ferrari is clearly worse... So I'm not sure what you expect Red Bull to do on that front?

Red Bull could dump the free Honda power units and pay for Renault customer power units, but is that really going to give a significant improvement!?

It would also make Honda fans sad, lol, since Red Bull is Honda's ticket to podiums and the odd win.

As a company of good financial standing, it would certainly make Red Bull's life easier if Mercedes would supply customer power units (what are Mercedes scared they won't get paid, like with Manor? surely not) but Mercedes seem to refuse this transaction.