Mercedes GP MGP W01

[marcush.]

What's the feeling about the car's expected performance at Germany? Specifically in terms of track surface in conjunction with tyre allocation. I think, for this car, it's of a bigger concern than, say corner speed etc.

I think many are on a bit of a high after the relatively good performance of Silverstone (me included), so are we in for a reality check?

Premonitions anyone?

I have a soso feeling they will have problems ,unfortunatelly schumacher will be closer to Rosberg but both just make it into Q3...

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

They have the 4th best car, which problems do you see happening that wont affect the teams behind them?
I see Mercedes into Q3 as Hockenheim has no real fast corners, a Mercedes achilles heel.
Better they cannot hope for this year.

[NewtonMeter]

They have the 4th best car, which problems do you see happening that wont affect the teams behind them?
I see Mercedes into Q3 as Hockenheim has no real fast corners, a Mercedes achilles heel.
Better they cannot hope for this year.

Well, you say that. But Silverstone has got a fair few fast corners and they did ok, whilst valencia, where they were quite bad, hasn't.

I therefore believe that there is a case to be had, that their performance is more tyre related.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

They have the 4th best car, which problems do you see happening that wont affect the teams behind them?
I see Mercedes into Q3 as Hockenheim has no real fast corners, a Mercedes achilles heel.
Better they cannot hope for this year.

Well, you say that. But Silverstone has got a fair few fast corners and they did ok, whilst valencia, where they were quite bad, hasn't.

I therefore believe that there is a case to be had, that their performance is more tyre related.

Valencia was tyres tyres tyres according to the PR rubbish teams spew out these days.
Silverstone showed us Mercedes ironed alot of these issues out. And yes Silverstone did have some fast corners, which surpised me as to how the W01 actually went there.
Just my 2 cents worth in the end, could be totally wrong.

[NewtonMeter]

Valencia was tyres tyres tyres according to the PR rubbish teams spew out these days.
Silverstone showed us Mercedes ironed alot of these issues out.

Well, I hope you're right.

Since they did OK in Silverstone, perhaps they ironed some highs peed corner issues out as well.

[NewtonMeter]

BTW, for those that haven't seen it, a fairly level headed and brief summary of the season so far:

http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2010/7/11038.html

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

They may have actually got a benefit out of the exhaust at Silverstone, that hindered them in Valencia.

The actual force of the exhaust through the diffuser isnt much at all. I heard Sam Micheal(Williams) saying that if you blew the entire diffuser, it would be a pointless excercise as the flow over the area wouldnt be changed that much.

But if you blew a specific section of the diffuser the pressure changes monre dramatically in that area. Williams got this update at Silverstone so obviously their findings would have been finalised a week a couple of weeks before adding the update to the car.

Mercedes may not have known this at Valencia, possibly.

Perhaps there is even more to come from this blown diffuser, and F-duct..........

[ringo]

Can they bump up the engine power for their home race?
Honda did something similar in the V10 days. The japanese GP saw an increase in power of the engine. I believe they were revving up to 20,000rpms if i remember correctly.
Mercedes may try to bump to power (not by increased revs obviously) to give them an edge.
Other than that, they need further drag reduction and effective F duct.

[siskue2005]

well people say Merc has solved its problem and is now faster than in Valencia, they are not looking at the bigger picture here

In Silverstone 1 RBR, 1 Mclaern and 2 Ferraris shot themselves and dropped out of contention
and moreover the pace of Nico was pretty slow compared to Lewis and Mark

which would put them were they were already in Barc and Turkey(other aero tracks)

IMHO they still are not fast enough....its some good driving and luck which got them this result

[aral]

Can they bump up the engine power for their home race?
Honda did something similar in the V10 days. The japanese GP saw an increase in power of the engine. I believe they were revving up to 20,000rpms if i remember correctly.
Mercedes may try to bump to power (not by increased revs obviously) to give them an edge.
Other than that, they need further drag reduction and effective F duct.

The engines are homologated and sealed, so how on earth could the power be upped?

[myurr]

well people say Merc has solved its problem and is now faster than in Valencia, they are not looking at the bigger picture here

In Silverstone 1 RBR, 1 Mclaern and 2 Ferraris shot themselves and dropped out of contention
and moreover the pace of Nico was pretty slow compared to Lewis and Mark

which would put them were they were already in Barc and Turkey(other aero tracks)

IMHO they still are not fast enough....its some good driving and luck which got them this result

I think they took a small step forward but not much of one. I also think they're going to struggle in Germany because of the tyres. They tend to do okay on one tyre type but fair badly on the other, and in Germany I think they're running the super soft and the hard which are quite different from each other.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

well people say Merc has solved its problem and is now faster than in Valencia, they are not looking at the bigger picture here

In Silverstone 1 RBR, 1 Mclaern and 2 Ferraris shot themselves and dropped out of contention
and moreover the pace of Nico was pretty slow compared to Lewis and Mark

which would put them were they were already in Barc and Turkey(other aero tracks)

IMHO they still are not fast enough....its some good driving and luck which got them this result

You mean the big picture that had Mercedes behind renault and Force India at Valencia yet ahead of them at Silverstone?

Mercedes are moving forward relative the teams around them. I think everyone sane person who has posted thus far knows that it is not possible to catch McLaren, let alone Red Bull! It just will not happen this year.

Mercedes will aim for 3rd but realistically 4th is the best they can hope to achieve.
This does not stop the fact that their car has improved.

[siskue2005]

well people say Merc has solved its problem and is now faster than in Valencia, they are not looking at the bigger picture here

In Silverstone 1 RBR, 1 Mclaern and 2 Ferraris shot themselves and dropped out of contention
and moreover the pace of Nico was pretty slow compared to Lewis and Mark

which would put them were they were already in Barc and Turkey(other aero tracks)

IMHO they still are not fast enough....its some good driving and luck which got them this result

You mean the big picture that had Mercedes behind renault and Force India at Valencia yet ahead of them at Silverstone?

Mercedes are moving forward relative the teams around them. I think everyone sane person who has posted thus far knows that it is not possible to catch McLaren, let alone Red Bull! It just will not happen this year.

Mercedes will aim for 3rd but realistically 4th is the best they can hope to achieve.
This does not stop the fact that their car has improved.

Valenica race was a on off, before that race they were in similar position to what they are now !even the team's official statement says that)
That was my point, dont need to get defensive about some one having their opinion

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Siskue

Read my post, its not intended to be defensive. If thats how it came across, it wasnt intended to.
And Mercedes were in trouble at Canada too, thats 2 races Mercedes were not at the races so to speak.

Friends?

[toshinden]

no development news for Hockenheim anyone? at silverstone i don't recall Brawn making any statement for the car development but instead they got good result. not like in previous races. hope it will keep better to the last race