2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Sayeman]

Doornbos: Honda is 60hp down on Ferrari and Mercedes, same as Renault at its worst.

This season started so promising but now going down the drain. Maybe Honda should have gone for power instead of reliability. they will be taking penalties anyway.

Also convinced the Renault is ahead in power right now. Although the TR's dont look too shabby on the straights.

[damager21]

Why would you pay for Hulk, if you've Albon and even Kvyat on the pipeline, and a lot more cheaper than Hulk. That's only a bluff

They did try Kvyat in the past when he was driving well for Toro Rosso & then dropped him. This year they promoted Gasly who again is not a match for Max. Hence there is no guarantee that Albon or Kvyat will do well

So either they be patient and give Gasly at least a year more or get an experienced driver from outside

[seense]

All the HP talk I take with a pinch of salt. After Australia they said "we are within 10-20hp of Merc'. Now after 2 small upgrades they are suddenly down 60?

Engine or car they need to improve both IMO.

Let's hope Horners promises over radio post race to Max are about to come true: "There will be more coming, there will be more coming. Just have to stick with it then the performance will come."

[closed1001]

tire wear was very bad this race. Max was able to keep up with leclerc in the beginning of both stints but his pace dropped massively in the end.

[Jaisonas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kghcmffnrMs
Max being really honest

[McMika98]

Tire wear was bad for all teams, look at what Hamilton had to drive. The race pace on Max was good but the top teams had reserves and modes that could give them half a second immediately. As for Gasly doing laptimes of Stroll says it all. The guy is good when he is in open air but as soon as he is behind someone he just cant deliver.

I wont belabour the point on the engine defeceit but suffice to say next race in Austria which is RedBulls home race will be the litmus test. Its an engine circuit with mostly high speed corners. I expect Gasly to be out in Q2.

[shingles]

From Max his own site. Translation:

"I gave everything that was in it and we maximized again. My start was good, but we are short on the straight. I had a nice action outside Leclerc at turn two. I had more momentum, but then our car just runs not hard enough and you can't do anything. I was lucky that I was not overtaken by a McLaren in the first round."

The Dutchman continues: “After that I was able to ride my own race and I tried to follow Charles Leclerc. It was a bit of a lonely race, but I had Leclerc in sight. So it was not very boring, because you are trying to push. "

When asked where the Aston Martin Red Bull Racing team can get the most profit, Verstappen replies:
“We are running out of power on this circuit and the car is also not optimal. Yet there are only a few turns where we are really slower than Mercedes. We would have to drive with a little less downforce, but at the moment that is not possible with the car, because then he is not strong enough at the back. So we still have work to do. "

Why do people want so badly to pin everything on Honda. Yes he said they need more power, but he clearly states the rear end is not stable and the car is also not optimal. I just don’t get it the blame game on Honda.

[DutchDopey]

From Max his own site. Translation:

"I gave everything that was in it and we maximized again. My start was good, but we are short on the straight. I had a nice action outside Leclerc at turn two. I had more momentum, but then our car just runs not hard enough and you can't do anything. I was lucky that I was not overtaken by a McLaren in the first round."

The Dutchman continues: “After that I was able to ride my own race and I tried to follow Charles Leclerc. It was a bit of a lonely race, but I had Leclerc in sight. So it was not very boring, because you are trying to push. "

When asked where the Aston Martin Red Bull Racing team can get the most profit, Verstappen replies:
“We are running out of power on this circuit and the car is also not optimal. Yet there are only a few turns where we are really slower than Mercedes. We would have to drive with a little less downforce, but at the moment that is not possible with the car, because then he is not strong enough at the back. So we still have work to do. "

Why do people want so badly to pin everything on Honda. Yes he said they need more power, but he clearly states the rear end is not stable and the car is also not optimal. I just don’t get it the blame game on Honda.

Unverified, but Robert Doornbos (who says he still has some contacts) said on Dutch TV that they are lacking 60HP. Don't know what mode.

[shingles]

From Max his own site. Translation:

Why do people want so badly to pin everything on Honda. Yes he said they need more power, but he clearly states the rear end is not stable and the car is also not optimal. I just don’t get it the blame game on Honda.

Unverified, but Robert Doornbos (who says he still has some contacts) said on Dutch TV that they are lacking 60HP. Don't know what mode.

Let’s be logical for a second. If they are lacking 60hp, can they really split the ferrari cars? It’s not like their car is that superior like last year.

Honda has more work to do. No doubt. I don’t think anyone is saying they don’t. But if anyone thinks this is all Honda or mostly Honda, then they are just being silly.

[nzjrs]

From Max his own site. Translation:

Why do people want so badly to pin everything on Honda. Yes he said they need more power, but he clearly states the rear end is not stable and the car is also not optimal. I just don’t get it the blame game on Honda.

Unverified, but Robert Doornbos (who says he still has some contacts) said on Dutch TV that they are lacking 60HP. Don't know what mode.

The more unqualified a number, the less I trust it... the area under the Renault and Honda power curves didn't change too much in two races - integrating over a whole race make those who are struck on one HP number look foolish and reductive.

[HPD]

Max: We would have to drive with a little less downforce, but at the moment that is not possible with the car, because then he is not strong enough at the back.

This is crazy. Now it makes sense because we are suffering so much in fast circuits.

[IvailoStefanovBG]

Doornbos: Honda is 60hp down on Ferrari and Mercedes, same as Renault at its worst.

This season started so promising but now going down the drain. Maybe Honda should have gone for power instead of reliability. they will be taking penalties anyway.

Also convinced the Renault is ahead in power right now. Although the TR's dont look too shabby on the straights.

Yes. I also think Honda is playing safe. They want to recover image from Mclaren years and dont want smoking engines on the track but this do not help with max power and potency of the engine. They just need more power. We have seen this situation many times recent years....

[McMika98]

Guys the arguement will be solved on the next race, Honda will have to use max modes to save face in RedBull home like they did last year in Japan when Hartley qualified in top 8.
If Max qualifies less than P4 then we know the issue, Redbull is good in high speed corners so it should be better than Ferrari even with the higher downforce configuration.

[godlameroso]

Austria has 2 low speed corners the rest are medium or high speed.

[Bill]

In the past Redbull used to carry less wing and use diffuser to produce downforce with this car they can't seem to do so . Ferrari pu can deploy electric power for longer no one can match them in that department even Mercedes. Mclaren qualified equal to Rbr but over a race distance they couldn't match them Honda has focused in using high mode during the race which seems to work Renault can't match that.