Mclaren MP4-30 Honda

[hollus]

I am Spanish. It says that according to Mario Canseco, McLaren will "take to Austria": new sidepods, floor, "inferior and lateral deflectors", engine cover and rear wing... it doesn't end with a dot, which suggests that there are more changes than that.
Now for the language subtleties. "llevar" a Austria means literally to take to the country, it might be the race, but it could also be the tests. Es for the lateral and "inferior" (read lower) deflectors, that smells of bargeboards, at least the lateral ones, but the lower ones... not sure what that is supposed to be. No mention of diffusers.

[Jef Patat]

Where did i say "New" drivers?

I already replied that I misunderstood your phrasing, didn't I?

And where did i here about floor,wings etc.
You do have Internet do you....i read it at atleast 4-5 diferent F1 news sites.

Well, you must be getting your info from other sources. I have heard Button mentioning 'some updates' and Neal mentioning 'a lot to come'. So there will be updates, the short nose passed the test. Those are in my eyes the facts. Maybe that's me being skeptic, but there's nothing wrong with being skeptic of media that spread too much rumors. They announced a new crash structure, shorter nose, that will influence airflow, so it's logical to expect differences. But present them as facts is another thing. As hollus said, we don't even know if they are going to race these expected updates. It depends on how confident they are, maybe they want to have a lot of back to back data and race the old package and then test the new one? Maybe they "just don't care" and race it? Considering that, no I don't expect them to catch Ferrari. As a MCL fan I have become very cautious with magical upgrade advantage speculations

[GoranF1]

According to Marco Canseco, McLaren lead to Austria: new pontoons, soil, bottom and side deflectors, engine cover and rear wing ..

my guess; side pods, diffuser, floor, barge boards

yes,and after Canseco's tweet Mclaren confirmed new nose as well....let's hope we get something from engine and better times will start...i hope! [-o<

[GoranF1]

Where did i say "New" drivers?

I already replied that I misunderstood your phrasing, didn't I?

And where did i here about floor,wings etc.
You do have Internet do you....i read it at atleast 4-5 diferent F1 news sites.

Well, you must be getting your info from other sources. I have heard Button mentioning 'some updates' and Neal mentioning 'a lot to come'. So there will be updates, the short nose passed the test. Those are in my eyes the facts. Maybe that's me being skeptic, but there's nothing wrong with being skeptic of media that spread too much rumors. They announced a new crash structure, shorter nose, that will influence airflow, so it's logical to expect differences. But present them as facts is another thing. As hollus said, we don't even know if they are going to race these expected updates. It depends on how confident they are, maybe they want to have a lot of back to back data and race the old package and then test the new one? Maybe they "just don't care" and race it? Considering that, no I don't expect them to catch Ferrari. As a MCL fan I have become very cautious with magical upgrade advantage speculations

I agree whit you 100% ,and i know they won't catch Ferrari(yet) i was just bored when i wrote it,and wanted to start some discussion.
Anyway cant wait FP1 to start to see if Mclaren means business from now on,i guess the biggest question mark is did or did not Honda run te upgraded Canada engine in safety mode!?

[godlameroso]

New engine side pods probably to provide more cooling to certain components?

[PlatinumZealot]

The A spec side pods are rather conservative at the midline. so possible a shaper down fall to the rear.

[max_speed]

http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/5291 ... _Honda_F1/

[hakan439]

New engine side pods probably to provide more cooling to certain components?

I think cooling via side pods is not the main problem.
The main problem seems to be the positioning of the ERS unit of the Honda engine, in which they placed into the V of the engine. They can not solve the vibration or overheating issues due to its place. Making side pods bigger and and guiding the extra air into the V of the engine might useful to some extent (which I do not think so as it is literally in the middle of the Engine ) but not for the vibration issue.

[horse]

guiding the extra air into the V of the engine might useful to some extent

Surely these systems are not air cooled?

[Jef Patat]

New engine side pods probably to provide more cooling to certain components?

I think cooling via side pods is not the main problem.
The main problem seems to be the positioning of the ERS unit of the Honda engine, in which they placed into the V of the engine. They can not solve the vibration or overheating issues due to its place. Making side pods bigger and and guiding the extra air into the V of the engine might useful to some extent (which I do not think so as it is literally in the middle of the Engine ) but not for the vibration issue.

Speculation, speculation and more speculation. 'ERS unit' in the V? ERS is a system, not a unit, please check google for more info. As for the turbo which you are probably referring to, we don't know its place. We don't know if they have a heat issue, nor do we know that they have a vibration issue.

[PlatinumZealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zg1Z-P7QVw

huh???

[Thunder]

And how exactly does that fit into this Thread?

[Jef Patat]

What's the problem? This is simulator

The problem is that I cosider this spam, certainly if you go and post it in every thread. My opinion is irrelevant, but god like mods will rule on you... (and delete this post as well )

[dren]

guiding the extra air into the V of the engine might useful to some extent

Surely these systems are not air cooled?

Everything on the car is air cooled one way or another.

I think it's a question of either the coolers are not large enough for the components or the components' internal cooling systems are not adequate. I'd probably say a bit of both but more on the later. I think the MGUH and compressor are likely oil cooled either with dedicated circuits or supplied from the ICE oil. Anyone know for sure?

[dren]

New engine side pods probably to provide more cooling to certain components?

I think cooling via side pods is not the main problem.
The main problem seems to be the positioning of the ERS unit of the Honda engine, in which they placed into the V of the engine. They can not solve the vibration or overheating issues due to its place. Making side pods bigger and and guiding the extra air into the V of the engine might useful to some extent (which I do not think so as it is literally in the middle of the Engine ) but not for the vibration issue.

Speculation, speculation and more speculation. 'ERS unit' in the V? ERS is a system, not a unit, please check google for more info. As for the turbo which you are probably referring to, we don't know its place. We don't know if they have a heat issue, nor do we know that they have a vibration issue.

Everything we have seen indicates the compressor and MGUH is located in the V of the ICE. The turbine is in a similar location to all of the other teams when looking at the exhaust shown in the few photos we have.