Italian GP 2011 - Autodromo Nazionale Monza

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

They had a disadvantage in the race because you can't use DRS during all lap like in quali.. While Ferrari for example had a massive advantage in top speed. The only hope for Mclaren driver it's the rain and the DRS Zone.

Last year Button was slow in straight line but he has the F duct, he could use that all the lap.

[Pierre6]

Thx all for the replies.

But also the cars with higher top speed don't have the DRS during the whole lap anymore, and the cars with more downforce can come quicker out of corners, so without the DRS for the whole lap, maybe the topspeeds can be closer together?

And why are people only talking about McLaren, that they are on disadvantaged now, isn't Vettel on the same setup ?

[MrBlacky]

Vettel is way off the others cars in Topspeed - and that Topspeed was on low fuel with DRS. So I don't get it that he was (according to himself) on race setup?

[WhiteBlue]

There will be a lot less stopping for tyres in Monza compared to all other race tracks. I reckon we will be seeing one, two and very few three stoppers if at all. In FP some drivers were running 20 laps on options with competitive times.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Vettel is too fast on the corner, his car is fantastic. So after the start, he can pull a gap before the lap 3, when the DRS will be unable, while Mclaren will have both Ferrari in their ass, and both Ferrari are 10KM/h faster than Mclaren car, and in S3 with Parabolica, Ferrari was as fast as Mclaren.

So it will be hard for both Mclaren to keep both Ferrari behind.

The tyre wear is very low at Monza, and a stop cost too much on this track, so i think we will see 2 stop for maximum. 3 stops at Monza is a silly mistake IMO

[raymondu999]

Anyone have Vettel vs webber photos? I'm interrested to see their wings

[Afterburner]

Let's hope first corner tomorrow won't take some of the front runners off so we could enjoy the best race of the year, my bet! Such different setups and different strategies in the mix this could make a fight for the win until the last laps.

[raymondu999]

Wow. The McL wings seem bigger than rbr. But rbr still is getting it's ass kicked by McL in the traps. Well Vettel's anyway

[timbo]

I wonder how came that the 2010 pole-time was not beaten. With KERS and DRS I thought they'd slay last year's time
Is that dry weight increase?

[Mr Alcatraz]

I wonder how came that the 2010 pole-time was not beaten. With KERS and DRS I thought they'd slay last year's time
Is that dry weight increase?

Here is this the equation:
Rear wing stall device + a wing that can plant the cars in the turns + KERS on low fuel with new tires = 2 sec's.

[timbo]

I wonder how came that the 2010 pole-time was not beaten. With KERS and DRS I thought they'd slay last year's time
Is that dry weight increase?

Here is this the equation:
Rear wing stall device + a wing that can plant the cars in the turns + KERS = 2secs on low fuel.

Umm, doesn't make much sense to me, sorry. I think DRS is at least as good as f-duct, and KERS is worth something. So, is that the dry weight that did all that?
Also, on many other tracks yesteryear results were comfortably beaten, why is Monza that different?

[HampusA]

good question. Maybe it´s because DRS has the biggest effect on highDF tracks?

[Mr Alcatraz]

I wonder how came that the 2010 pole-time was not beaten. With KERS and DRS I thought they'd slay last year's time
Is that dry weight increase?

Here is this the equation:
Rear wing stall device + a wing that can plant the cars in the turns + KERS = 2secs on low fuel.

Umm, doesn't make much sense to me, sorry. I think DRS is at least as good as f-duct, and KERS is worth something. So, is that the dry weight that did all that?
Also, on many other tracks yesteryear results were comfortably beaten, why is Monza that different?

The ability to use a subtancial rear wing in the corners yet stall it on the straights made the difference. What is so hard to understand about that?
Who has quali speed trap times from 2010?

[HampusA]

The ability to use a subtancial rear wing in the corners yet stall it on the straights made the difference. What is so hard to understand about that?

Isn´t that what Mclaren has done this year again though?
Apart from the fact that they have an even better system at reducing drag this time.

[timbo]

The ability to use a subtancial rear wing in the corners yet stall it on the straights made the difference. What is so hard to understand about that?
Who has quali speed trap times from 2010?

I said it -- DRS should be at least as effective as f-duct, and here's speed trap readings 2010 http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... _trap.html
and this year http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... _trap.html
So, my guess it's either 20 kilos of dry weight, or Pirellis don't have that much longitudal grip for braking.