2014 Design

[astracrazy]

also, how will this help decrease drag? I thought the front wing (current spec) guided airflow around the front tire and thus lowered the drag because of that.
Now with a narrower front wing it seems guiding airflow around the tire will be tougher.

I was under the impression the tires were the draggiest bit on a car (except for maybe wings) and that the more air you deflect around it the better in terms of drag.

it will increase drag a bit overall because of this. But i'm sure they will just come up with some extreme endplate ideas to help this process

there was talk about guiding air inside the tyres. But by doing that your going to decrease the the surface area of your front wing by a lot. Which i don't think will be worth it

[hollus]

...also, how will this help decrease drag? I thought the front wing (current spec) guided airflow around the front tire and thus lowered the drag because of that...

Primarily it will cut downforce, not drag. But that almost always comes with an associate decrease in drag. Downforce works largely by taking air moving parallel to the ground at a certain speed to the car and diverting it upwards in one way or another. If you don't increase the energy of that flow, its final speed should not be higher than the initial one, thus the added vertical component means that the horizontal one has to decrease, AKA the air is pushed forwards, AKA the car is pushed backwards, AKA drag. Less downforce -> more horizontal outgoing flow -> less drag. The effect is not so important in planes, but it is in F1 cars that are considerably slower and have crazy angles of attack in their wings.
But wheel drag will likely increase, yes.

[SectorOne]

Good replies, thanks.

Satchel, ok i´ll leave it then, thanks

[tim|away]

I understand that the smaller front wings would make it very hard to channel air around the outside of the tyres. Would it be possible to achieve a similar effect to the 2013 front wings by adding vents in the endplates of the 2014 wings? In other words, an air intake somwhere on the leading edge of the front wing or even the nose cone and a duct that pushes are out on the endplates in order to assist the airflow around the tyres.

[Joie de vivre]

aren't FW cascades banned from next year on?

[Huntresa]

aren't FW cascades banned from next year on?

Nope, if you go back one page you see the answer.

[bhall]

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I don´t know the width of the Pirelli´s but one rule said it has to be between 305 and 355 so i chose 330 and the graphics show 82.5mm reduction instead of the actual 75mm

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A better way is to scale the wing initially to 1,800px, as they're currently 1,800mm, and then cut 75px from each side. Then you get something that looks like this. By design, the regulations center the endplates directly ahead of the front wheels.

I think teams will go with largely inwash designs, because the rules don't quite allow effective outwash schemes, and, accordingly, there will be no reason to increase the size of the front wing's wake.

[Huntresa]

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I don´t know the width of the Pirelli´s but one rule said it has to be between 305 and 355 so i chose 330 and the graphics show 82.5mm reduction instead of the actual 75mm

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A better way is to scale the wing initially to 1,800px, as they're currently 1,800mm, and then cut 75px from each side. Then you get something that looks like this. By design, the regulations center the endplates directly ahead of the front wheels.

I think teams will go with largely inwash designs, because the rules don't quite allow effective outwash schemes, and, accordingly, there will be no reason to increase the size of the front wing's wake.

http://i.imgur.com/axLB8rA.jpg

Could you make that pic but from the front facing pic ?

[bhall]

Nah, my photo editing skills are actually a step behind my overall level of sanity, which means they're in big trouble.

But, what I can do is point you to this thread and specifically...

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[Blackout]

An interesting F138+V6 CG image released by Ferrari

Scheme from Ferrari site following the Marussia power unit deal announcment Motori porpulsori Ferrari per Marussia Team

But is it legal to place the trbo that way in regard of 2014 rules ?

[Holm86]

The position of the turbo really does look strange. Hot-Vee's is illegal. But this is not a Hot-Vee. But realisticly the turbo would be behind the engine. Not right over it.

[Saribro]

Just a silly inaccurate drawing for marketing?

[Huntresa]

Still even if the turbo is in the wrong place, we can see how much the sidepods can shrink if thats a good design option.

[Holm86]

Exactly. At least at the rear of the sidepods. Because of the exhaust wont have to cringle around there anymore.
Could make way for some extreme cokebottle shapes ...

[WhiteBlue]

An interesting F138+V6 CG image released by Ferrari

Scheme from Ferrari site following the Marussia power unit deal announcment Motori porpulsori Ferrari per Marussia Team
http://formula1.ferrari.com/wp-content/ ... a-Team.jpg

But is it legal to place the turbo that way in regard of 2014 rules ?

The rule say that you have to use the outer ports for exhaust and that the turbo shaft has to be in a tolerated distance from the crank shaft. This design seems to comply. It is ticking the box for the shortest exhaust headers possible and thus should have some credit to it.