2014 Testing - Jerez 28-31 Jan

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I must say I kinda agree with the previous post. Maybe it's not written in the right words, but still, the meaning is right.

Lot of teams underestimate/forgot how it was before.
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beelsebob wrote:God, the people here can be dumb sometimes.
That's probably the best conclusion of the first day of testing. I've been cringin' all day long reading some of the nonsense here.

Armchair experts, gotta love 'em!
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Rikhart wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Rikhart wrote:Today was a pretty amateurish show by most teams, only ferrari are exempt from that really. I cant help but think that F1 teams have become sloppy, accostumed to years of stable regulations. Suddenly there is a bigger change, and everybody loses their minds, one of the best teams cant make stuff fit, etc...
Right... All these teams of professional engineers are just "amateurish". Clearly you could do a much better job.

God, the people here can be dumb sometimes.
You know whats dumb? Dumb is wasting one of the 6 available test days before the first race without setting a time. Thats dumb. If you feel this is acceptable for this level, I completely disagree.
Had it occurred to you that several teams worth of hundreds of professional engineers disagree with you about whether lots of (or any) track running is the absolutely necessary on the first day of testing? Instead, they seem to consider that making sure that every component of the car works in an integrated fashion, and making sure that nothing goes seriously wrong is more important.

Rather anecdotal, but to be honest, it's not a surprise that the first failure (and actual loss of half a day), came from the team with the shortest turn around time between runs, and hence the least caution, and the least testing of parts and setup actually being correct.

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Setting time is not priority I think and also, engineers have never faced so complicated deaign of the cars ever before...

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I love the engine sound, a real nostalgia from 70s,80s

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BoBee wrote:I love the engine sound, a real nostalgia from 70s,80s
Same here, they still sound like F1 cars but with some extra sound effects thrown in, I'm definitely buying Melbourne GP tickets now!

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Rikhart wrote:Dumb is wasting one of the 6 available test days before the first race without setting a time. Thats dumb. If you feel this is acceptable for this level, I completely disagree.
Where did you came up with 6 test days? 4 days at Jerez + 2x4 days at Bahrain is actually double of what you said.

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If looking for maximum performance, I can understand that the cars are being finally assembled only right for test day one, allowing the engineers to squeeze the last possible hours in the wind tunnel before deadline for the part production and assembly is here.
BUT, given that almost every team stated how important it is this year to achieve good reliability, and then having to acknowledge that you can't send out your car on track because not everything works as intended, well, hard to grasp for me.
Anticipating the schedule for three days, and they would have been able to check these things at the factory.

Well, it seems that track time isn't as important as i believed it is.

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Rikhart wrote:Today was a pretty amateurish show by most teams, only ferrari are exempt from that really. I cant help but think that F1 teams have become sloppy, accostumed to years of stable regulations. Suddenly there is a bigger change, and everybody loses their minds, one of the best teams cant make stuff fit, etc...
Well these ARE prototypes. It's not like they pull #47,500 off the assembly line for a random test. For most, if not all, of these cars, today will have been the first time this set of components have been completely assembled together. Didn't I read that Red Bull just completed their crash test last week?

These cars can very much be considered experimental. Building a car and having it finished 4 months ago means you did not apply anything you learned since then. You may be reliable, but you will probably not win.

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I like the sound of Raikkonen's car under braking, is that the ERS kicking in? It does sound like an electro motor or something.

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Ok, really dumb question here and I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if it's been discussed.

Why are some of the cars running unmarked tyres ?
Is it an unknown compound simply for Pirelli to evaluate, and if so, why would the teams do that ?

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zeph wrote:
I like the sound of Raikkonen's car under braking, is that the ERS kicking in? It does sound like an electro motor or something.
The high pitched whistle you hear is the turbo spinning down. The noise is actually going on all the time that the turbo is spun up, it's just normally it's masked by the engine running.

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Webber2011 wrote:Ok, really dumb question here and I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if it's been discussed.

Why are some of the cars running unmarked tyres ?
Is it an unknown compound simply for Pirelli to evaluate, and if so, why would the teams do that ?
apparently they have a 'winter compound'.
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beelsebob wrote: Had it occurred to you that several teams worth of hundreds of professional engineers disagree with you about whether lots of (or any) track running is the absolutely necessary on the first day of testing? Instead, they seem to consider that making sure that every component of the car works in an integrated fashion, and making sure that nothing goes seriously wrong is more important.

Rather anecdotal, but to be honest, it's not a surprise that the first failure (and actual loss of half a day), came from the team with the shortest turn around time between runs, and hence the least caution, and the least testing of parts and setup actually being correct.
That's true, but building the car properly is something you can demand from those "professional engineers", in the case of McLaren and Red Bull

I do not want them to show the car at 9:00AM and do 200 laps. But the least they can do is build it and check if it is all running ok. That was not the case for McLaren: two days in Jerez and the car is still in the box