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Lewis Hamilton has won the Japanese Grand Prix at Suzuka, taking the lead through the first corner to never give it away again. Nico Rosberg recovered from a difficult start back up to second while Sebastian Vettel finished third.
Well, just to fresh up your memory on this one....ringo wrote: He himself pushed off Hamilton in Hungary this year. Didn't leave a car's width on the outside and Lewis locked up and wet off. That's just the name of the game. Discussing whether a driver crashes out his teammate to influence the championship is not sportsmanlike or a sign of a good driver. It's unfortunately encouraging nasty habits from great drivers like shu or senna.
In fairness, James Allen is saying 'a step behind' - meaning the same sauber get:Moose wrote:Why were Ferrari getting air time then? Their offer of year-old engines effectively amounts to "no" as well.Shrieker wrote:The sky crew were jokingly implying that he was pissed at them not giving Red Bull engines...PlatinumZealot wrote:They give manor engines and he don't like it?
Speaking of Alonso, i can think of at least two races where he pushed someone wide when he had the inside line in a corner: against Ham in 2007 at spa at the start and against fisichela again at spa in 2010 exiting the last corner.Roman wrote:Sometimes I have the feeling we are dealing with children here. Bernie not showing Merc on TV because they pissed him off, RB threatening to leave if they dont get what they want, etc. Makes you wonder, are they here to race or to play their little games between each other?
For the race, my man of the day was Hulk, he gained 7 positions while his teammate lost 6.
Ham should have let Ros some space, Ros was next to Ham and (as Alo would say) you always have to leave space. Just look at Hulk vs Massa last week, Hulk was in front, on the racing line and still should have let some space to Massa. But, due to the aforementioned little boys' game, I could not really see the situation during the race and due to acute boredom I did not watch any highlights of the race. So I might be wrong and he actually did leave space.
I think that is almost all I can tell about this boring race...
Three very bad examples (moto GP??) that don't help your case at all.ChrisF1 wrote:Yeah, there is a big difference between chopping across somebody and running them out wide. Hamilton just ran Rosberg wide, but for comparison, Rosberg chopped Ricciardo at Hungary, and Grosjean chopped Stevens in Canada, Hamilton chopped Kobayashi at Belgium.
Running people out wide is standard, just look at Rossi vs Pedrosa
? That does not make sense. Although this one was actually comparable to Hamilton Suzuka if it was for position which it wasn't, the only difference was that Stevens didn't get out of the way (as he should have) and Rosberg did. BTW Rosberg was down on power for start. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... uote]"Nico Rosberg's Mercedes engine suffered a problem that gave him less power than Lewis Hamilton at the start of the Japanese GP"
The same article also suggest that it's very possible Nico overheated his engine an caused the momentary loss of power himself. I doubt he'd have contributed to the conspiracy you're insinuating. He also dropped 3 spots because of it, not one.iotar__ wrote:It took them the whole day and 50 Hamilton's dominance headlines to process this unimportant information. Just enough to lose one position but no more before Hamilton took care of that. What's the point of watching? That's why Ecclestone decided for us"Nico Rosberg's Mercedes engine suffered a problem that gave him less power than Lewis Hamilton at the start of the Japanese GP"
"The initial getaway was good for both cars but Nico had a little bit of an issue with a hotter power unit," said Mercedes boss Wolff. "When it kicked in after a couple of seconds, he didn't have the same power as Lewis."
He got to his grid spot pretty early, and Hamilton took his time. I'm sure that played into it a little.TAG wrote: The same article also suggest that it's very possible Nico overheated his engine an caused the momentary loss of power himself. I doubt he'd have contributed to the conspiracy you're insinuating. He also dropped 3 spots because of it, not one.
Hamilton could have if he'd wanted to but he was under no obligation to and Rosberg would have known that.Andres125sx wrote:Not true, Hamilton could have left some space perfectly, as we´ve seen on every race since 1950 when two cars run parallelmrluke wrote:Rosberg was driving into a wedge, he left the door wide open in T1, what happened in T2 was inevitable.Andres125sx wrote:IMO Hamilton should have been penalized after pushing Rosberg out of track. That way overtakings are imposible, you must let some space once the other car is parallel to yours.
Anycase Rosberg is no rival for Hamilton
If we take any example of a rule infringement as the proof about that rule shouldn´t be applied, then there would be no rulesmrluke wrote:Rosberg even did the same thing to Ham in Hungary and there were no penalties there.
False, rulebook specifies if a significant part of the car is parallel, some space must be left, exactly what Hamilton didn´t do.mrluke wrote:Hamilton could have if he'd wanted to but he was under no obligation to and Rosberg would have known that.Andres125sx wrote:Not true, Hamilton could have left some space perfectly, as we´ve seen on every race since 1950 when two cars run parallelmrluke wrote: Rosberg was driving into a wedge, he left the door wide open in T1, what happened in T2 was inevitable.
If we take any example of a rule infringement as the proof about that rule shouldn´t be applied, then there would be no rulesmrluke wrote:Rosberg even did the same thing to Ham in Hungary and there were no penalties there.
When the "victim" can be seen to be doing the same thing himself it should be obvious that the favor will be returned.
If a driver has the inside line to the corner and are ahead they are pretty much guaranteed to complete the overtake. It would be a very unusual move for a competing driver to come from behind and drive all the way around the outside of somebody on quite a tight corner. It does happen but usually when there is a big difference in performance between the cars, not so much in equal cars going into T2.
Its not about penalties but more about if he should have done this with his teammate. I think he should have let him some space because I remember many Hamilton fans quite angry because of Nico´s attitude during (2014)SPA´s first lap.Sevach wrote:I'm far from a Hamilton fan but he did nothing wrong here, penalties are for situations like Hungary where he barged into Ricciardo, If Rosberg had his car side by side (or slightly infront) and Hamilton pushed him out i would call for a penalty.
As it was another limp wristed defence by Nico ended extra bad for him.
Perhaps you should petition the stewards to penalise Hamilton retrospectively?Andres125sx wrote: If every driver would do what Hamilton, then we´d have never seen the most exciting battles in F1, once any car is parallel, he just need to go to the external kerb as if no car was there. Push him out of track or crash, end of the battle.