Ferrari F2012

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In order for Ferrari to change exhaust to Sauber,RB,Merc way they need to redesign radiators in side the sidepods from vertical to horizontal right?

Can that be done whitout crashtest?
THE F2012!
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nice sculpted ducting and the well integrated brake caliper


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xpensive wrote:I find it pretty obvious that today's great win was thanks to Alonso's genius of driving in those monsoon weather conditions, the latter always the great equalizer of cars, however, I'm afraid the last 20 laps or so revealed the true pace of the F2012.
Indeed it was and did, and Perez really should have won that race. Why he didn't is left as an exercise to the reader............

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munudeges wrote: Indeed it was and did, and Perez really should have won that race. Why he didn't is left as an exercise to the reader............

He didn't win because he messed up 5 laps to the end, simple as that. I don't think any driver on their way to their maiden victory is going to take orders to fix it so their engine supplier wins.

I guess the chassis switch for Massa didn't change a thing..

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It was about more than who their engine supplier is...... It certainly wasn't that simple.

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munudeges wrote:It was about more than who their engine supplier is...... It certainly wasn't that simple.
In that case we shall see the McLaren's parting way for the Mercedes soon

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When time and convenience allows, yes we will see a parting. However, McLaren is not in Sauber's current position..........

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[...] Just drop it. Anyone who is fair and objective knows what happened and what didn't happen.

Edit: this isn't the thread to discuss the race anyway.
Last edited by Steven on 26 Mar 2012, 13:22, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: Removed personal comments

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Im a McLaren supporter scarred by years of Ferrari-Schumacher domination, and jump the chance to do some Ferrari hating. But in this instance, I don't think there is anything in this Ferrari - Sauber fixing business. Indeed, off topic, sorry guys

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This is a forum about the car, I believe? Anyone care to stop name calling and conspiracy debunking and hazard a guess at what changes can be effected in the three weeks until China? I should think intense work in the tunnel could lead to SOME improvements (?)
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Pretty clear to me that Perez made a mistake which blew the race for him, as otherwise he would have contended for the win. Purposefully blowing a race because of your engine supplier? Such theories are best left to those wearing tin foil hats and chasing down aliens at Area 51.

In any event the F2012 looked OK today. I only caught the Sky broadcast just now.. hard to be totally objective as to compare both Massa and Alonso's running and strategy. Obviously good enough to win, and to hang onto tires just enough. I suspect Alonso was driving just a touch under his capabilities there toward the end to hang onto it, which ultimately saved him whereas pushing too hard screwed Perez.

Hard to even say from the chassis perspective whether or not the Ferrari was ahead or behind of the Sauber given the different tires. Not knowing any better while watching I thought going to the option tires in the drying conditions was the way to go.. but perhaps with Pirelli's lack of longevity on options with 15 or 20 to go, the primes were indeed the wiser choice.
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donskar wrote:This is a forum about the car, I believe? Anyone care to stop name calling and conspiracy debunking and hazard a guess at what changes can be effected in the three weeks until China? I should think intense work in the tunnel could lead to SOME improvements (?)
I think as hard as the team is pushing, that we'll see a surprisingly large number new aero parts at China. Maybe even some testing on dealing with the sidepod/exhaust that seems to be problematic.
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Jersey Tom wrote:Pretty clear to me that Perez made a mistake which blew the race for him, as otherwise he would have contended for the win. Purposefully blowing a race because of your engine supplier? Such theories are best left to those wearing tin foil hats and chasing down aliens at Area 51.

In any event the F2012 looked OK today. I only caught the Sky broadcast just now.. hard to be totally objective as to compare both Massa and Alonso's running and strategy. Obviously good enough to win, and to hang onto tires just enough. I suspect Alonso was driving just a touch under his capabilities there toward the end to hang onto it, which ultimately saved him whereas pushing too hard screwed Perez.

Hard to even say from the chassis perspective whether or not the Ferrari was ahead or behind of the Sauber given the different tires. Not knowing any better while watching I thought going to the option tires in the drying conditions was the way to go.. but perhaps with Pirelli's lack of longevity on options with 15 or 20 to go, the primes were indeed the wiser choice.
also Alonso's mediums weren't new. They had their neck wrung in quali.
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donskar wrote:This is a forum about the car, I believe? Anyone care to stop name calling and conspiracy debunking and hazard a guess at what changes can be effected in the three weeks until China? I should think intense work in the tunnel could lead to SOME improvements (?)
The updates to the F2012 will come in three segments. The first at China, then Bahrain, then the last for the Mugello tests/Spain. Rumors abound about what exactly will change, but I think some newer shaped sidepods, exhaust, floor & diffuser. Question is which exhaust route do they go? Launch exhaust, Sauber style or McLaren style? The team has said the launch exhaust provides the most performance. And i believe it does, but after todays race it's clear the Sauber solution could be a very nice compromise between the two.

The team & Fernando has mentioned people are working day & night. As JT said I'm sure there's much work in the tunnel being done, and they're probably also using the Cologne facility if they're smart to further validate their own tunnels results.
I remain convinced they will not switch to push rod front suspension and I don't think they'll try the Mercedes DRS-Duct solution considering they added themselves today to the group who is complaining to Whiting about the Merc system.

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:[...] considering they added themselves today to the group who is complaining to Whiting about the Merc system.
In other words, Ferrari can't get it to work. ;)

I fully expect (or just really hope) the team will try to move forward with the car as it was originally configured. Their data revolves around this design, and fixing that car ostensibly means fixing their problems with data correlation. I don't think they need to make matters more complicated than they already are by trying to incorporate new things.