2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Macklaren]

Where have you seen this? Massive if true

Yesterday on Merc thread. Top of P38. Mark Hughes and others reporting it.

If this is true we are so back

There are also stories breaking that the Merc battery is running out of power half way down the main straight at Monza. Multiple doom stories re the 26 Merc engine coming out at the same time sounds very suspicious lol

[dialtone]

Yesterday on Merc thread. Top of P38. Mark Hughes and others reporting it.

If this is true we are so back

There are also stories breaking that the Merc battery is running out of power half way down the main straight at Monza. Multiple doom stories re the 26 Merc engine coming out at the same time sounds very suspicious lol

I think this is an old story that got recycled. A couple years ago it was already quoted as Ferrari going to the engine meetings with that data.

[DJ Downforce]

If this is true we are so back

There are also stories breaking that the Merc battery is running out of power half way down the main straight at Monza. Multiple doom stories re the 26 Merc engine coming out at the same time sounds very suspicious lol

I think this is an old story that got recycled. A couple years ago it was already quoted as Ferrari going to the engine meetings with that data.

Ye that was old news.

I'm still interested to hear about Ferrari. I hope it's a positive silence - keeping eyes off them.

[Xyz22]

https://x.com/leclercsletters/status/19 ... 2015120505

Seems that currently the main limitation of the car, outside the overall amount of downforce which at the current ride height is lower than McL/MB/ RB (in some config), is the fact that it's a bit unpredictable. Probably a similar situation to the SF 1000 in this regard.

[Dee]

https://www.racefans.net/2025/04/17/ham ... raris-car/

“Charles has obviously driven this car for a long time and the driving style he has worked perfectly with the car,” said Hamilton. “He loves sliding the rears. He likes a really oversteery car, which is really impressive to see.

As I said in a previous comment, the issue is the rear. Hamilton likes it stable. I always thought he would trounce Vettel in the same car but now I'm thinking that it would have been closer. Their preference in a car is a lot more similar than I thought.

I will look forward to the day when Leclerc and Verstappen are in the same car/team.

I hate when two drivers have two different driving styles, Vasseur is already saying they will adapt the car to suit Lewis “We will work on the car to adapt the car to Lewis" https://www.motorsportweek.com/2025/04/ ... 20to%20him.

Either way, one of them will be inconvenienced.

[SoulPancake13]

https://www.racefans.net/2025/04/17/ham ... raris-car/

“Charles has obviously driven this car for a long time and the driving style he has worked perfectly with the car,” said Hamilton. “He loves sliding the rears. He likes a really oversteery car, which is really impressive to see.

As I said in a previous comment, the issue is the rear. Hamilton likes it stable. I always thought he would trounce Vettel in the same car but now I'm thinking that it would have been closer. Their preference in a car is a lot more similar than I thought.

I will look forward to the day when Leclerc and Verstappen are in the same car/team.

I hate when two drivers have two different driving styles, Vasseur is already saying they will adapt the car to suit Lewis “We will work on the car to adapt the car to Lewis" https://www.motorsportweek.com/2025/04/ ... 20to%20him.

Either way, one of them will be inconvenienced.

I think it may be an age factor sort of thing. Vettel ofc was always like that, but Lewis in his earlier days was no slouch with a car that moved around at the rear.

I think more than anything Lewis now needs a car that is predictable. As Charles said in his interview, the car is a bit different into every corner - Lewis really struggled with this behavior all of last year with Russell. This is ofc helped by the rear being stronger but there is a world where the car is more pointy but still has rear stability and Lewis drives it perfectly fine.

[SoulPancake13]

https://x.com/leclercsletters/status/19 ... 2015120505

Seems that currently the main limitation of the car, outside the overall amount of downforce which at the current ride height is lower than McL/MB/ RB (in some config), is the fact that it's a bit unpredictable. Probably a similar situation to the SF 1000 in this regard.

I think that is just how the cars have to run if you want a chance at being fast right now. Obviously Piastri is more comfortable in the McL, but Norris is complaining of unpredictability as well. We all know RBR have a super unpredictable car. Merc seems fine on onboards, haven't heard George or Kimi say much. What makes it more of a DF issue for Ferrari is that the unpredictability is at the rear... McLaren really only exhibit issues for Norris under braking

My opinion is that the team will focus on gaining as much downforce from higher ride heights as possible, I don't think they will be able to lower the car more with the suspension setup they have.

[Dee]

https://www.racefans.net/2025/04/17/ham ... raris-car/

“Charles has obviously driven this car for a long time and the driving style he has worked perfectly with the car,” said Hamilton. “He loves sliding the rears. He likes a really oversteery car, which is really impressive to see.

As I said in a previous comment, the issue is the rear. Hamilton likes it stable. I always thought he would trounce Vettel in the same car but now I'm thinking that it would have been closer. Their preference in a car is a lot more similar than I thought.

I will look forward to the day when Leclerc and Verstappen are in the same car/team.

I hate when two drivers have two different driving styles, Vasseur is already saying they will adapt the car to suit Lewis “We will work on the car to adapt the car to Lewis" https://www.motorsportweek.com/2025/04/ ... 20to%20him.

Either way, one of them will be inconvenienced.

I think it may be an age factor sort of thing. Vettel ofc was always like that, but Lewis in his earlier days was no slouch with a car that moved around at the rear.

I think more than anything Lewis now needs a car that is predictable. As Charles said in his interview, the car is a bit different into every corner - Lewis really struggled with this behavior all of last year with Russell. This is ofc helped by the rear being stronger but there is a world where the car is more pointy but still has rear stability and Lewis drives it perfectly fine.

As you say, rear instability is the key issue here and where he is more like Vettel than I thought.

[Xyz22]

https://www.racefans.net/2025/04/17/ham ... raris-car/

“Charles has obviously driven this car for a long time and the driving style he has worked perfectly with the car,” said Hamilton. “He loves sliding the rears. He likes a really oversteery car, which is really impressive to see.

As I said in a previous comment, the issue is the rear. Hamilton likes it stable. I always thought he would trounce Vettel in the same car but now I'm thinking that it would have been closer. Their preference in a car is a lot more similar than I thought.

I will look forward to the day when Leclerc and Verstappen are in the same car/team.

I hate when two drivers have two different driving styles, Vasseur is already saying they will adapt the car to suit Lewis “We will work on the car to adapt the car to Lewis" https://www.motorsportweek.com/2025/04/ ... 20to%20him.

Either way, one of them will be inconvenienced.

This is not true. While probably some things are similar, i.e. brakes and overall tools (steering wheel, etc.), the car is completely different from the SF 24 and previous cars.

[Dee]

https://www.racefans.net/2025/04/17/ham ... raris-car/

“Charles has obviously driven this car for a long time and the driving style he has worked perfectly with the car,” said Hamilton. “He loves sliding the rears. He likes a really oversteery car, which is really impressive to see.

As I said in a previous comment, the issue is the rear. Hamilton likes it stable. I always thought he would trounce Vettel in the same car but now I'm thinking that it would have been closer. Their preference in a car is a lot more similar than I thought.

I will look forward to the day when Leclerc and Verstappen are in the same car/team.

I hate when two drivers have two different driving styles, Vasseur is already saying they will adapt the car to suit Lewis “We will work on the car to adapt the car to Lewis" https://www.motorsportweek.com/2025/04/ ... 20to%20him.

Either way, one of them will be inconvenienced.

This is not true. While probably some things are similar, i.e. brakes and overall tools (steering wheel, etc.), the car is completely different from the SF 24 and previous cars.

So you are saying that Lewis is not accurate?

The car is oversteery and Charles can deal with it well is an accurate paraphrase of the statement then.

[deadhead]

Shame we won’t see LEC’s talent in full swing in a championship winning car that suits him. We got a short glimpse in 2022 and that might be it.


I can’t be the only one who thinks that he would gap the field nicely in the current McLaren?

[SoulPancake13]

https://www.racefans.net/2025/04/17/ham ... raris-car/

“Charles has obviously driven this car for a long time and the driving style he has worked perfectly with the car,” said Hamilton. “He loves sliding the rears. He likes a really oversteery car, which is really impressive to see.

As I said in a previous comment, the issue is the rear. Hamilton likes it stable. I always thought he would trounce Vettel in the same car but now I'm thinking that it would have been closer. Their preference in a car is a lot more similar than I thought.

I will look forward to the day when Leclerc and Verstappen are in the same car/team.

I hate when two drivers have two different driving styles, Vasseur is already saying they will adapt the car to suit Lewis “We will work on the car to adapt the car to Lewis" https://www.motorsportweek.com/2025/04/ ... 20to%20him.

Either way, one of them will be inconvenienced.

This is not true. While probably some things are similar, i.e. brakes and overall tools (steering wheel, etc.), the car is completely different from the SF 24 and previous cars.

So you are saying that Lewis is not accurate?

The car is oversteery and Charles can deal with it well is an accurate paraphrase of the statement then.

Charles has been driving the SF25 for as long as Lewis has. Charles has been driving Ferrari cars much longer than Lewis has. I think it is an important distinction, this car is pretty much completely brand new compared to SF24 (this is what I think Xyz22 is meaning to say).

The stuff about oversteer and driving style is fine.

[Dee]

Shame we won’t see LEC’s talent in full swing in a championship winning car that suits him. We got a short glimpse in 2022 and that might be it.


I can’t be the only one who thinks that he would gap the field nicely in the current McLaren?

We got a glimpse of it in 2019 as well, he had a massive gap over Vettel and got 5 poles in a row.

And, yes, Charles would gap the field, same as Max. Imagine them as teammates in that car...

[SoulPancake13]

Shame we won’t see LEC’s talent in full swing in a championship winning car that suits him. We got a short glimpse in 2022 and that might be it.


I can’t be the only one who thinks that he would gap the field nicely in the current McLaren?

I mean... yeah. Only guy on the grid right now I would be worried about Charles not beating in equal cars is Max. George has done a great job so far but the race pace in 2023, in fact even last year at times, was concerning when compared to pretty much the same Hamilton as we have now.

[Dee]

This is not true. While probably some things are similar, i.e. brakes and overall tools (steering wheel, etc.), the car is completely different from the SF 24 and previous cars.

So you are saying that Lewis is not accurate?

The car is oversteery and Charles can deal with it well is an accurate paraphrase of the statement then.

Charles has been driving the SF25 for as long as Lewis has. Charles has been driving Ferrari cars much longer than Lewis has. I think it is an important distinction, this car is pretty much completely brand new compared to SF24 (this is what I think Xyz22 is meaning to say).

The stuff about oversteer and driving style is fine.

Yes, but I am not the person saying that stuff about the Ferrari car, Lewis is. I agree that the Ferrari has new concepts this year and is not similar to the previous few years.